they're not since you forgetting the one key one, keeping him and/or making him play out the year with no security no because thats everyones argument as if they wouldn't hold it playing at the top of their profession with those shit contracts he got great against the pass yeah but overall worse why because our scheme versatility left when he went down. Instead of being able to blitz at will we had to drop bake into coverage which hurt our run defense, Revis makes the entire Defense better but obviously you try to find anything that makes it look like we dont need him lol groupie really, so me wanting the Jets to keep an Elite talent makes me a groupie, how old are you 12?? in contract negotiations involving a team, a player and another team you dont do anything to benefit the other party. The Jets are one showing Revis they value him so much that they wont just let him go for any offer and want a large return and thus showing him that is TB wanted him bad enough they'd give up whatever it took to get him kinda like the Jets trading up to get him in the draft. At this point Revis is going to have to sign a deal to get himself financial security for the future since he doesn't want to risk further injury on that knee, which gives the Jets leverage to negotiate a deal that wont hurt us financially though makes Revis one of the highest paid players because they didn't, everything else has been speculated and the main focus of the organization has been the cap, the draft and filling holes
Apples and oranges, in trading a car their objective is to sell you a new car, the trade in is just a barter chip...although you'd be surprised how much more you can get if you hold out abit by saying you wont' buy their new car unless they up the price for your trade in. In the Case of Revis it's more like a dealership having the car you really really want and that dealership being the only place that has that car and having them tell you that they don't want to sell the car despite having a listed price for it. At that point it depends on how badly you want that ONE car.
If I'm the only buyer out of 31 potential buyers and the dealer tells me they don't want to sell it to me the price I offer means the same thing as the price they list it at. The Jets position is only better trading Revis if they have additional buyers interested at an equal or higher price than the Bucs offered. Getting a single buyer to negotiate against himself is a very dangerous game for someone who really does want to sell. If we don't want to sell that's fine but that's not going to drive the price up.
You guys are missing the obvious point. Revis is the dealership. The object for the Jets and TB, to convince Revis hes over priced.
If the Jets have a unique asset to sell they can price it however they see fit. Now, if they only have a 6 month window in which to sell the asset, well that's where it gets tricky and they're a bit more at the mercy of the market. The fact that only the Bucs are bidding on Revis is not what controls the price the Jets can extract for him. The fact that they have a defined window in which to trade him is the limiting factor. I think the Jets can hold out for a better offer right up until a few days before the draft. At that point they have to decide to either take what's on the table or fold up the tent for a month and start over again on a June to August campaign, with Revis healthier and potentially more teams interested.
Revis is in a position where he doesn't have to sell. I think he can feed his family and keep the car in the garage for a year.
You can't convince somebody that they're over-priced if the reality is that somebody will meet their price eventually. The challenge for Darrelle Revis, which may actually not even be on his list of challenges at this point, is going to be winning a Super Bowl before he is done. The Bucs may well meet his price this time around but I give them a low chance to win a Super Bowl with him given the other talent on the team. Then in 5 years Revis is 33 and suddenly the chance to win a ring is very small. Champ Bailey is 35 this year and he's never played in a Super Bowl.
Do you realize that this is an argument toward Revis wanting some obsene amount? If he was scared about playing without security, he'd been willing to take less. The fact that only Bucs are involved -- the only team willing to pay crazy $$ -- tells you right there that Revis is looking for something huge "Shit contract"?! Are your nuts?! His contract was heavily front-loaded. Revis kept his mouth shut when he was getting $16M after signing and opens his trap to bitch about shitty contract on the back end of it. This has been his pattern for all these years. Yeah yeah yeah... Revis makes everyone better. Without Revis old ladies can't cross the street and little children have no toys. This convoluted logic of yours can "prove" anything. Stats tell you that Jets were 8th against the pass last season without Revis. As to shitty run defense -- there are better and much more straight-forward explanations that don't involve Revis. Pace and Scott being useless old fucks who can't move or hit explains shitting pants against the run. No. Your location, "Location: Revis Island and Never Leaving" makes you a groupie. So Jets don't know how to negotiate huh? Then how the hell do they get Bucs to keep upping the offer? As to Revis being scared -- see above. If he was scared, he'd be more willing to take less. He is not. Yep. And CB is NOT one of the holes as evidenced by the last season. Revis is a great player. However, he does NOT worth the amount he is after. Jets are rebuilding and Revis is the only chip they have. Holding onto him would be like sitting neck-deep in shit while polishing a golden coin. The coin is pretty, but useless. The only way to get out of shit fast is to trade this coin for draft pick and -- yes -- for cap space.
If you really want to make fair comparisson, than there is another factor. Yes, you are the only buyer. However, in 12 months the car will be gone from the lot. The dealer won't make any $$ on it, true. But your chances of getting this particular car will be 1/30 and instead of having exclusive negotiation rights, you'll have to big against 30 other buyers. Yes, Jets will lose Revis, but Jets failure to get rich does nothing for you obtaining player you want. It's a delicate situation for sure, but so far Idzik seem to be winning since Bucs keep upping the offer.
True, he can stand pat for a year, but that might lower his value. Risk of injury + "me-first guy" business. Don't forget that he is supposed to make $6M this year. Signing a $15M contract now would make extra 9 mil this year. I'm sure this will play a major role too.
That depends entirely on how much you really want that car (Revis) and how much you believe no one else will step in to the process later in the game. The blind card in this case is the Buc's, and us the fans, not knowing if the Revis and Jets camps are talking new contract. Which is where we leave the car analogy since cars can't elect to stay where they are and agree to a deal. Since the Buc's can't have direct contact with the Revis camp (at least not without suffering tampering chargers) they have no way of knowing if the Jets and the Revis camp are in talks and maybe on the verge of a breakthrough (not likely but it is possible). If the Bucs really want Revis and they believe the two sides are negotiating they may very well up their offer. Additionally another team may have quietly stepped in and said to the Jets, hey hold up a minute, we may have an offer...the Jets are under no obligation to notify anyone that another team has contacted them at that point in time. In other words, it's like playing poker with one blind card, but one player knows what that blind card is and the other player doesn't. Is it a bluff? is it a stalling tactic? or is something else going on behind the scenes. Actually I can continue the analogy, suppose the car dealer decides that this one of a kind car is worth more to them than the sticker price because it draws people in just to see it and someo of those people buy other cars from the lot...that increases the cars value beyond it's sticker price, in this example anyways. regardless, professional sports is littered with teams that have essentially bid against themselves, just look at last years draft where the Browns traded up one spot to get the running back the other team didn't really want but pretended to want. Teams bidding against themselves happens more often that people realize.
the closer we get to camp the more likely we are to get the best deal if we keep him in Jet green, so no need to rush exactly a front loaded deal is not what Elite players are looking for, he needs a real deal with a chunk of guaranteed money and a large signing bonus like every other Elite player is receiving, not a band aid like he got Revis makes us better NO ONE can refute that, period have a sense of humor, I'm a Revis fan so fucking what didn't say that but you guys thinking take a deal and move on are dumb, the Plan A is to keep Revis regardless of how you feel because we have depth and its funny everyone brings up last year as evidence to why we dont need Revis yet say nothing about him being All-Pro the other 3 years and us making the playoffs 2 of those 3 years he is worth it in the grand scheme of things and we also DO NOT gain cap space if we trade him, we lose it but obviously you knew that
Recis has 2 choices. Sell. Or play for 6M. My thinking, is the Jets dont want him, and they are willing to help the Bucs make it worth their while to trade for him
We don't know what the facts are but I'm observing stories fairly frequently that say the Bucs will give Revis $15M a year. That would be my observation.
I understand your point, but relative to most 33 year-old players, his chances will be outstanding. He'll have a zillion dollars in the bank, and in all likelihood he'll still be a very strong player. If he craves a ring, he can go to any contender he wants and play for peanuts, doing no damage to that team's cap space.
Chocolate or peanut butter? (I'm deeply, DEEPLY sorry for that. I tried to resist. Yeah, yeah, I know it's spelled Reese's. :breakdance
This is easier said than done though. Who were the big favorites last year headed into the year? I'd say the 49ers and the Texans. Who won it? The 10 win team that got hot at the end, for the third year in a row.
I didn't say it was easy. But if Revis wants the ring bad enough, he can pick any team and play for a great price, in which case I'd say the chances are better for him than "very small." Imagine if Revis had had the same option coming into 2012. He might have chosen one of your contenders above. He might have been the difference, even at age 33.
this point might otherwise have seemed a digression, but as you point out it is not. I am skeptical of the Bucs' chances even with Revis. I don't think Freeman so far has shown even a Trent Dilfer level of Qb play, meaning I don't see them as having enough of a passing attack to hold up through the playoffs. The irony here is that if Revis were to go to TB, he's looking at gambling on Freeman upping his game enough to make it over the hump. Kind of where the Jets were with MS two years ago, and we saw how that went. In short if as you suggest and of course we have no reason to think otherwise that Revis would want to play on a SB winning team, I don't see TB as much of a prospect there, even if he goes there.
