Alex Van Dyke. Rick Terry. Dorian Boose. All 2nd rd picks that nobody could argue in hindsight were worse than taking a kicker with a long career. God, I still hate Alex Van Dyke.
Man I was in a decent mood but now I am back reading this thread and geez u have to ask ur self what the hell were the jets thinking with some of these picks unreal...... U can just flat out whiff on a player like gholston, that's one thing but to take a roger Vick when u have hector and McNeil or take a Brady when u have Mitchell - it's just mind boggling. I was at the 95 draft and some of us had to be physically restrained from approaching the team tables on the lower level, specifically the jets table which was toward the center of the floor if I remember. What a day.
Yeah he was real bad. Had a ton of talent & in theory would've made a great pairing with Keyshawn but he just couldn't run routes on game day.
Disagree on this. At the very least Mitchell could stretch the field & did strike fear into defenses(albeit for a short time).The jets were actually ahead of their time when they made that selection. Tight ends who could be deep threats like that were pretty much unheard of at that time. Too bad he was a headcase. Brady was never anything more than an average blocking tight end.
Ken O'Brien because if they drafted Marino (which any sane person would have done) they would have probably won multiple Super Bowls.
WHAT? "They got a one in return." (?) Who are you talking about? The Jets? The 1 that we "got" for Coles was packaged with the jets own first round pick and a 4th rounder. That means that Robertson cost us our #1 pick AND our 4th round pick and COLES (the team mvp from the year before). If you think Robertson or any rookie is ever equal to your best player from the year before, AND your 1st and 4th round picks, Terry Dumbway has a job for you! Easily the worst trade/draft of the century--At least Gholston only cost us "just" a first round pick, NOT two 1s and a 4.
Can't believe the jets have been so stupid over the years. Who was it that we drafted when Marino was still on the table?
we would not have won SBs w/ marino, more playoff games yes but not SBs. Take coles out of the equation, that was a separate thing. we gave up a 1 and a 4 for a guy who played at a high level for 1 year then had injuries but he was huge for us in 2004 on a team that nearly made the title game. We scored 3 pts on offense that game in Pitt and lost in OT. Robertson was a huge reason why. Coles was not our best player in 2002, Chad was. Coles was a replaceable WR, we got the same(or better) production out of Santana Moss. Washington overpaid and it backfired on them until they gave him back to us for the better Moss. Looking back the Chrebet extension prior to 2002 killed us, we would have been much better off allowing Wayne to leave and keeping Coles & Moss but it didn't work out and we didn't struggle in 2003 b/c we lost Coles. We struggled b/c Chad went down, Chad played most of the following year and we won 10 games and nearly made the title game. The Robertson move ultimately was bad b/c of injuries and scheme changes but it wasn't close to the worst b/c he was a good player for us before the injuries/scheme change. Gholston gave us absolutely nothing, is there any guarantee if we keep the picks we get good players? the 2 slots we drafted in turned out to be Ty warren(after NE traded w/ Chi) who was an average player and Rex Grossman. So we only wasted 1 pick on Gholston but got absolutely nothing, we wasted multiple on Robertson but at least he helped us short term.
If we're getting into the "could've had" game over just bad picks, then I nominate Bryan Thomas. Every Jets fan wanted Ed Reed. Bad-way with another head scratcher takes Bryan Thomas. Thomas lasted longer than expected because he learned that if he didn't stop the run he'd be on the streets, but he didn't rush the passer at all, which is what he was drafted for. Average-to-below average LB or Hall of Fame, Once in a Generation Safety... hmm. that's a tough one. Especially since at the time Safety was a need on that team.
Johnny Mitchell was short lived but explosive. If he wasn't such a headcase he could've been big-time. He showed glimpses of it. He was like Vernon Davis, only 20 years ago.
Walton was HC @ the time. Can't find it online but I remember a Walton interview where he was confident with their decision because of the Wonderlic scores.
Except that Reed's rare instincts would've essentially been useless in Herm's cover 2 base D & the fact that 20 something other teams passed on him. Sorry, I'll sign up for draft picks like BT every day of the week. He played many different roles for this team, was productive in many different roles & was always loyal to the green & white. Hindsight is 20/20
WHY would we take Coles "out of the (Robertson) equation (as you suggest)?" THAT is the whole point of the equation. We lost Coles--got a #1 pick FOR HIM and then traded THAT #1 pick, PLUS our own #1 pick, PLUS a 4th round pick for Robertson. So we should just take Coles "out of the equation" because you say so? (???????) Every year the jets PLAYERS vote for the team mvp at the end of the year--In 2002 they voted Coles as team mvp, not Chad--you can look it up. You keep trying to justify the king's ransom that Boobway paid for Dslob by bringing up 2004--I don't recall Robertson being in the pro bowl that year--Jason Ferguson, a 1997 7th round pick by Parcells, was a better DT than Robertson in 2004 for the jets. Anyway, you'll never convince me that the two first round picks in 2003 (one of which we received for our mvp the previous year) and the 4th round pick in 2003 that Dumbway coughed up for SLOBertson was not THE worst trade/draft move ever by the jets. If you think it was a GOOD deal for the jets, you are entitled to your opinion. Feel free to respond again, I'll let you have the last word.
Tony Brackens, Amani Toomer, Mike Alstott, Lawyer Milloy, Mushin Muhammad, and Bobby Engram, Brian Dawkins...these were the guys who went between Van Dyke and our 3rd round pick that year (Mickens)
I've had this argument many times over the years so I doubt we'll get anywhere with this beyond agreeing to disagree. That said, I think people forget HOW BAD the DT situation was here before D Rob came to town. The guy was supposed to learn behind Josh Evans his rookie year but Josh Evans ended up suspended for the year, which threw D rob into the fire. The guy started EVERY DOWN for this team for a good 4 years. Was he always dominant? No. But he had some VERY productive days in multiple schemes..SOME of which he was never meant to play in. Back in 04 many on here believed he was the best player on our D. When the Jets got to the playoffs that same year both Marty Schottenheimer & Bill Cowher stated that D rob was the best DT they had played all year. No one is saying 2 first rounders for a guy who really wasn't scheme diverse and had a bone on bone condition is wise. But the guy was FAR from the worst Dlinemen this team's ever had. In fact he's likely had some of the more dominant performances in the team's history(after the sack exchange of course). Additionally, when you look back at that draft, the Jets were definitely gonna go DT. It was by far the biggest need as well as the NFL's newest trend. Take a look at these names: Jonathan Sullivan,Kevin Williams,William Joseph,Jimmy Kennedy & Ty Warren. Other than Kevin Williams & perhaps Ty Warren(Who had health concerns in his career & wasn't a fit in Herm's 4-3) Was D rob really the "Slob" Jet whiners make him out to be?
we were losing coles anyway, that's like saying we traded Abraham for Mangold. it's awesome they voted him MVP but he wasn't the best player on the team. Chad was. How was the team MVP doing the first month w/o Chad? first 3 games w/o Chad: 6 recs, 46 yds first game w/ Chad: 8 recs 97 yds, final 13 games w/ Chad: 83 recs, 1218 yds, 5 TDs Chad was the MVP. Coles had a great year and it was disappointing to lose him but we didn't trade Coles for Robertson. we traded the pick we got for him to move up to get a higher #1. Robertson should have been in the PB in 2004. do yourself a favor and get a copy of the SD playoff game and check out the line play. It turned out to be a bad move b/c of injuries and scheme change, at the time it wasn't a bad move.
I disagree. Reed would've been a superstar no matter where he played. He was/is a rare breed. Safeties also can dominate in the Cover 2 base D. Look at Bob Sanders in Indy, John Lynch in TB. Ed Reed would've played great in that system as well. Hindsight is 20/20 and that's why I said IF I was playing that game. I'm not saying Thomas was a complete scrub but let's not act like he was anything more than an average player. He was "loyal to the green and white" because they paid him to be for 10 years..
