Yahoo: Is Mark Sanchez finally getting benched for good?

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    So, tou are a fortune teller? Tampon Bay cut Young loose after two seasons.

    After the USFL.

    After several years in Pro football, steve young was not steve young.


    And...just so were on the same page...the only reason I brought him up is his out right douchebaggery in commentary acting like his early career never happened.
     
  2. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but Mark did get more money when he restructured his contract, he received more guarentee money which is part of why he's basically an albatross around the teams neck now. Yes he would restructure again, but it would require even more guarenteed money to get him to do so, which would be a mistake of Titanic proportions.
     
  3. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    The one thing we can thankfully count on not happening this off season is that Muck will get his contract extended with additional guarantees.

    Heh. That would be really something if it happened. They'd have to send the men in the white coats to scoop up both Idzy and Woody.
     
  4. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    Marks contract is not even close to an albatross. It is only an albatross to this team if they wanted to go out and overpay a FA QB. There is no or was no FA QB out there worth it Flynn?, Kolb? maybe Alex Smith and his contract is not stopping us from bringing in any of the other JAG qbs on the market that is good for the Jets.

    His contract is definitely not preventing the Jets from drafting a QB so could his contract be an Albatross again?
     
  5. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Steve Young wasn't a starter till he was 30. He spent his first two seasons in the NFL on one of the worst teams in NFL history. The Bucs when Young got there had exactly 2 winning seasons in their 9 seasons before Young got there and didn't have another winning season until 1997, 12 years after Young left. The Bucs were one of the worst football teams in NFL history for much of their first 20 years, and yes he did ride the bench for a number of years in SFO, playing behind a legend in Joe Montana. Mark, on the other hand, came in to a team that had bordered on the playoffs the year before he was drafted, and I might add made the playoffs the year he was drafted with the exact same record the team had the year before and missed the playoffs.

    No, I'm not a fortune teller, I don't need to be. I've seen Mark play, I've seen Young play, and I saw Montana let go by SFO while he still had a couple good years left in him in order to play Young. Mark, he was carried by his defense for his first two seasons and hid behind a top of the league rushing attack. When asked to step up and lead the team lacking the latter he failed, miserably. This was predictable, all you had to do was look at 90% of his other games during his first two years and it becomes clear the mark of the last two years is the same mark of the first two years, he just doesn't have a top grade defense and running game to hide behind.

    A good QB makes average or poor recievers look good by being accurate and timely with their passes, mark has never been that with any consistancy at all. Yes you can go back and find a small handfull of "bigboy" throws over his career, but guess what, name any QB that's played 4 seasons as a starter and I'll bet you I can find as many or more "big boy" throws from them. Mark at his very best is below average in the NFL as a QB.

    No Hobbes, your the fortune teller..your predicting greatness where there's never been any before....
     
  6. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    How can his contract be an albatross? it has nothing to do with signing a free agent QB, if you want to narrow it to that, and that alone, then no. But his contract is a big albatross in being able to sign good players to other positions, or even being able to keep Revis potentially by signing him this off season instead of letting him test the free agent waters after this season (assuming we don't trade him before draft day).

    The Jets are paying a mediocre QB 1/10th of their cap space. So yes, that contract is an albatross. A very big smelly albatross.
     
  7. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    That is crap and you know it unless they find a rookie QB you have to pay and plan to pay your QB. If not Mark it would be some other QB.

    Do you just make shit up and hope somebody will believe it? Marks contract has nothing, zero, nada, zilch to do with Revis.
     
  8. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    the refs blew the call on that play
     
  9. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    This comparison argument is stupid in general but Steve Young sucked in Tampa which is why they drafted Vinnie. Walsh all but handed the Job to in San Fran but he could not step up. QB is hard in this league and it took Steve time mature even after becoming a starter when he was thirty.

    Was he given up on to early in Tampa yes.
     
  10. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    We are obsessed with instantaneous success. We still have no idea how ggod some of these Qbs are going to be.

    Kaepernik- Bails himself out with his legs. He still has trouble reading defenses. What happens when defense catches up to the read option. (can we say wildcat?) the Jury is still out

    CAM- Took a step back still no indication he can take the next step. Jury still out

    RGIII- Already hurt can he make the step and deliver from the pocket and stay healthy. (Jury still out)

    Russell Wilson- Again great Rookie year but can he do it again. I think he is less of a question he has the soul and mind of Veteran.

    Luck- The most pro ready QB to come out since Elway. 54% completion percentage 18 picks nine fumbles. Jury is still out

    Lets not anoint any of these rookies and young Qbs quite yet they still have a lot to prove and a lot of growing.

    We want to dump our young QB after four seasons.
     
  11. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    he's only a ______ year QB give him more time.
     
  12. alleycat9

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    and what exactly is your basis for this? other than you love mark and hate revis?
     
  13. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    you are kidding right?
    you don't think wasting 12+mil on a player doesn't affect your ability to sign or retain other players?
    Throw in that player making the 12mil doesn't deserve any of it, while players who can contribute effectively will no longer be on team.
    it is a huge f'n albatross, and there is absolutely a correlation to Revis, Landry, Devito, Keller, etc departures, and our bargain basement signings..
     
  14. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    None because your QB salary is already factored in suck or not that is what you pay Qbs. Like I said if not Mark we would be paying another Qb not that hard of a concept.
     
  15. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    lmao are u a little slow? so you pay a QB 12+mil just because he is a QB?
    no, you only pay that to premier players.
    plenty of teams are not currently paying their QB 12mil, especially one that may not even start.

    if they did, they'd have a hard time paying other players just like the Jets. but no other team has an albotross quite like this as they aren't quite that stupid to extend and guarantee a shaky QB to massive dollars.
     
  16. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    i'll break it down a little simpler.
    If Sanchez didn't have guaranteed money, he'd already be cut.
    Then the Jets would have 12+ mil space free to sign or re-sign players at any position, and would have no cap concerns regarding Sanchez in 2014.
    He may not start, but we still pay him the 12mil even if cut. That is a huge albotross.
     
  17. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Did you mean other than the fact that he did it n 2011.

    When has Revis volunteered to help the team...?
     
  18. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez is being paid, on past performance, and future potential.

    He quarterbacked a team to two consecutive AFC title games.

    One of five fastest ever to thirty wins.


    Four road playoff wins,

    Bearing NE, and Indy.

    Is his cap number too large...provably. Is he untalented...NFL history says no, or os it the team when they win, and Sanchez when they lose?

    Is that your argument?
     
  19. Jake

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    He helps the team on the field unlike Mark.
     
  20. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    I guess I am having trouble following all this logic please slow down. Ok, so Mark salary is an Albatross because we could not sign other players because we are paying the Qb to much. To win a Super Bowl we need a "Franchise" Qb that would cost us more than the 12 million but then we can't sign other players to not win a superbowl.

    If we get said Franchise QB (which we need to win a SuperBowl) it will cost us more than Mark. Sure if we want another JAG QB and you think we can win a SuperBowl then Mark i s making to much.

    Mark has a big cap hit this year but his Guaranteed money is no where near top 10. If you want a better QB and sometimes worse you will pay and Marks salary is not out of whack.

    We win - Mark road the running game and the defense

    We lose- All Marks fault he just sucks

    Love dumb fans
     

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