i hear you, i wasnt directing that anywhere near your comments. it was mostly for hobbes but there is alot of that on message boards. guys WANT the team to do well so they assume simply because they want it to happen that the jets will hit on every draft pick this year. fozzi's post made me think about it but that wasnt directed at him either as he was explaining the negatives of getting rid of him.
Sanchez can't play. This idea that he ever could is absurd. The most accurate sentence in that article is the one that explains how the team performance in 2009 and 2010 masked all his subpar individual performances ... MASKED. A point that's crystal clear to 90% of Jet fans. Enough with this idea that true Jet fans want him to succeed. Substitute the word want for wanted. The ship has sailed. He is what he is and he's not becoming somebody else no matter how hard we root for it. There comes a time with so many things in life, when you need to accept what is and stop hoping for what you wish could be. He can't play. There are 2 or 3 guys on here that seem to be worried that we'll give up on him and he'll turn into Joe Montana somewhere else. Sleep well, because it aint gonna' happen. As the saying goes ... when someone shows you who they are, BELIEVE them. And Sanchez has spent four years showing us who he is ... A turnover machine with an averge arm, average mobility, terrible pocket presence and no leadership skills. A QB who is ranked at the bottom of the league every year, in every way that QB play can be evaluated. He's a guy who can only succeed if he's inserted into a perfect situation. NOT a guy you can build your team around. BELIEVE IT ... it's not a disguise ... It's exactly who he is. Time to move on. And Step One is having another QB under center on opening day. I really don't care who it is ... as long as it's not him.
Part of the reason Sanchez still gets a certain amount of support is that his dwindling number of supporters do get the point that the Jets have so much invested in him. It's a huge loss, and it makes it harder to accept that he is a failure. But that loss does not make him less of a failure. Time to accept the facts and move on.
As BB just said, it's a HUGE loss and nobody is happy about it. As fans, we're all sick about it and I can't even imagine what Woody Johnson must be feeling. The whole situation sucks for everybody. BUT --- what good is one more chance? I've been hearing for months how Sanchez couldn't possibly succeed with this lack of talent around him. Well --- it's not getting any better in 2013. Having Sanchez at the helm made the Jets unwatchable last season. Do you really want to go through that again? Not me. I'd rather watch somebody else get a chance.
Glad you got my point, heh, because on rereading my previous post, I did not mean to give the impression that only the few remaining Sanchez Fans understand how much of a loss we are talking about. I think ALL Jet fans get that part. But you have to face up to unpleasant facts, see what understanding those unpleasant facts suggests as making the most out of a bad situation, and take action accordingly. Keeping Sanchez as the starter is not makng the most of a bad situation. It is just continuing the bad situation, and wasting another year. Plus in the short run I would pretty much rather watch anybody other than Tebow play Qb for the Jets with Sanchez gone. No 6, and no 15. Thank you.
Somebody, is a rather non descript term. Tel, us who? Moore and Flynn arent upgrades, nor is there one in the draft.
The biggest mistake was not allowing Rex to get his own coaches on the offensive side of the ball. I don't have any expectations for Mark this year. I want the kid to succeed, but I think he's brain damaged and now has David Carr syndrome. How do you restore his confidence? I don't think you can.
out of curiosity how did you react to sparano's signing last year? were you upset because you knew he wouldn't develop sanchez in any way? you're opinion of the man from what i've seen is that he's struggled but just needs the right coach to make him great. did you always feel this way after say 2011?
I think his biggest flaw, right now is decision making. Mohrinweg is going to get tha ball out of his hands a little more quickly, to mitigate that flaw..... Its ironic that the haters hate on Sanchez, like hes been playing for Bill Walsh, and Paul Brown. The next QB that is successful as a QB under Schottenheimer, will be the first. In fact dont tale my word for it. Go look up Pennington, and Favre both, tell me what happened to theor QBR once they got away. This was a guy that asked a smart, but weak armed QB to keepmtrying to throw 15 yard outs...we all know how that went.
I've personally seen enough to determine what kind of QB Sanchez is. He's not the kind I want on my team. I can't think of a single good thing that can come from giving him another chance. My nightmare scenario is that he starts and has an average season, which would be Mark's peak, and the Jets wanting to go into 2014 with him as the starter again. hmy: Let's find a real franchise QB and stop wasting time with this guy.
This kills me, the Jets have not found a Franchise Qb since Joe Namath and you are would be willing to still dump Sanchez after a good season? An average season for Sanchez will be 60% completion 20 td 10 Int 3 lost fumbles. A qb rating around 80 something. I will take an average year from Sanchez
Moore isn't an option. he resigned with Miami. I'd take Flynn in a microsecond. At least there's a chance Flynn can be a viable starter. That chance doesn't exist with Sanchez. Is Flynn an upgrade? I don't know ... but there's certainly a good chance that he is. The only times I've seen him get an opportunity to play, he's done well. I know this much --- he certainly couldn't be any worse than 35th in a league of 32 teams. Not Flynn? Then give me Garrard. If he can stay healthy he's proven that he's a much more capable QB than Sanchez. The numbers don't lie --- he's been better at the position ... and he sure as hell wasn't surrounded by an all-star team in Jacksonville. I don't know what Garrard has left. I don't know what Flynn's ceiling is. But what I do know is this - Sanchez has distinguished himself as being one of the worst QB's in the league. I've seen MORE than enough -- I'm a believer. Just give me SOMEBODY who hasn't already had a four year history of being an abject failure at the position. Please don't give me the AFCCG game speech. It's ALL you Sanchez supporters have to lean on, but the fact is, that's a TEAM accomplishment. There are universally accepted ways that every NFL player is evaluated individually at his position. At the QB position, very few have been evaluated lower than your guy for the past four years. There's a reason for that ... it's not some sort of statistical aberration. He's not secretly better than the numbers show. We've all seen him perform and most of us agree that what we've seen isn't good. So instead of hoping against hope, that he'll suddenly vault to the top of the league ... hell -- even the MIDDLE of the league, I'd rather take my chances and move forward with somebody who's not him. It's time to move on.
I rhought he would be an improvement over Schottenheimer and he was, but..sadly the rash of injuries on at side of the ball were too big an obstacle to over come. On the positive side, he got the ball out more quickly, and called more QB friendly routes than BS did. The biggest remaining flaw was over reliance on running the ball and using Tebow bith on early downs, setting up too many 3rd and long situations. I never said great. Ive said, the jury is out. Ive always hated Schottenheimers ridiculous passing scheme.
The season you just described might be an average season for most legit NFL QB's, but it would be Sanchez's best season by far, and a Quantum Leap from what he's given us the past 4 years. It's a respectable season for a QB. If he was giving us that type of play, we wouldn't be calling for his head. Has he ever flirted with an 80 something QB rating?? And 10 INT's?? ... Is he planning on throwing more than 200 passes next year? You're expecting a guy who's turned the ball over 51 times the past two years to cut his turnovers in half. Completely unrealistic. It would be like a a guy with a history of running 4.8 in the forty, showing up and running 4.3 ... It doesn't happen in the real world. And if we all have to pray Novena's just to hope he has a season that would be no more than decent, what does that say about him? Can't we just get a better QB in here? Is that really too much to ask for? Honestly ... I can't even imagine a scenario where someone else is playing QB for us a few years from now, and most Jet fans saying "Damn ... We should have kept Sanchez".
Bring in Matt Flynn. The simple fact is no matter how irrational, and...lacking context, your distaste for Sanchez may be, the organization would not be doing due diligence by not trying to reason out....if the scouting department was wrong, or the coaching sucke. My money is on the latter.if im right we all go on our merry way, you eat some crow, and like it. If Im wrong....then we have a serious structural issue, that will make us all miserable. Ps we afe all still waiting for you to explain, how Schotty, and Sparano, and injuries arent mitigating factors?
Despite what I think of his ability I'm willing to acknowledge Mark's lack of success the past two seasons had a lot to do with bad O-line play, lack of playmakers on offense, and poor coaching. Having said that, I still don't want to see Mark Sanchez as the QB of the NY Jets ever again.
