Wrote a while back about Revis to the Bucs making a lot of sense. Still believe that's a very strong potential landing spot for him https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/311305591660355584 #13,+ Idzik worked with Dominik in TB.
You make sure you have a serious partner before you let them talk to Revis. The only way they can prove they're serious is if they make a substantive offer on the way in. "Hey can we just talk to Revis and then we'll let you know what we're offering" is not a serious partner. They're just looking to get information on the Jet's dime. If a team comes in the door with a lowball offer the Jets just say "thanks but no thanks" and refuse to let that team speak to Revis or his agents.
I read it this way at first too, we made an offer to Revis. Then I reread it and realized it was trade lined up haha
You don't allow any team to speak with Revis about a new contract. When the Jets and the acquiring team agree on the player compensation,then the acquiring gets the opportunity to speak the Revis agents about a new contract. The Jets know what Revis wants. Its not very difficult to tell the other team what the parameters for a new contract will be. The Revis agent need to stop leaking their displeasure over the Jets not allowing them to control the process. Fuck them.
Respectfully, that makes zero cents. The compensation you are offering to the Jets differs according to what Revis wants contract wise. If Revis is unwilling to sign an extension, you are not offering as much for a 1 year rental. If he is willing to sign with your team, then the Jets can demand more in return. If his demands are completely unrealistic and over the top, you're back to the one year rental. You can't begin to make an offer without knowing what you're getting.
No, it really doesn't make a difference what Revis wants. The Jets aren't offering Revis cheap in any sense of the word. They're offering to give another team Revis services and an exclusive negotiating window with Revis for the next 10 months or so. If the Jets allow Revis to talk to just anybody they are actually lowering his trade value in the process. They're giving a much wider group of potential suitors in 2014 the opportunity to effectively set the groundwork for an offer as a free agent. The team the Jets trade Revis to will no longer have an exclusive negotiating window with Revis because the terms other teams are willing to offer will already have been disclosed during the trade process. Yeah you can. You can make whatever offer you're willing to give to the Jets and if the Jets like the offer they'll let you talk to Revis. If things break down then they break down but at least the parameters of the deal were in place before you started negotiating. If I were the Jets I'd be looking for two things when you called: 1. What you were offering us for Revis. 2. The general level of your offer to Revis. If 1 is good enough and 2 is in the ballpark of what we think Revis is looking for then you have your open window to try to lock him up and get a trade done. If either is insufficient then you can try another offer or you can wait until 2014, like everybody else. BTW, an exclusive negotiating window with Revis right now could easily be worth $2M a year. That being the difference between what he's willing to take now with the uncertainty of the knee and another season to go until free agency and what some idiot will pay him on the open market in 2014 if he plays well and the knee is not an issue.
Is a 1st and 2nd realistic? I really have no idea what to expect for an all-pro CB coming off a torn ACL.
The Jets have communicated to the team with the offer on the table what it will take to sign Revis. That team has an offer for Revis on table. Major League Baseball allows teams a 72 hour window to sign a player to an extension after the two teams have agreed on player compensation. Johan Santana from the Twins to the Mets. Curt Schilling from Arizona to Boston.
I guess I just disagree completely. If I'm a GM kicking around the idea of trading for Revis, I need to know some things before I even think about what I'd have to give up. I'd need to talk to Revis and his agent to find out: 1. How healthy are you, etc? 2. Is my organization a place you would be interested in re-signing with? (do you want to stay on the east coast, unwilling to go to certain teams, have any criteria of places you would sign with, etc.?) 3. If you are willing to re-sign with my team, what are your contract parameters? If I'm the GM, I'm going to be risking a lot. How much do I have to give up? Is the addition of Revis worth the potential additions I would have had with those picks, or does his contract limit me from signing players I feel are valuable? Does this affect my team just this year, or for years beyond? You can't have answers to those questions because they are tied to the compensation. Would I be willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for a guy who won't be with my team next year? Absolutely not. That is not good value. Would I be willing to give that up if he was with my team for the next 6 years? Now that makes the compensation equal. How can I consider the pros and cons of the effects of all of those things before I know the answers to any of those questions? I guess you just dont agree.
You're talking from the perspective of a GM who wants to trade for Revis. Fine. Why would the Jets let that GM talk to Revis without knowing the offer that the GM will make if he gets the right answers from Revis? Seriously, you're the Tampa GM and you come to the Jets and say "we're interested in acquiring Darrelle Revis if the terms are right for us." Why would the Jets next question not be "ok, what are you offering?" Think about it.
Revis to Tampa makes a lot of sense. They had a terrible pass D in a strong passing division, and a ton of money to spend. I've been thinking it will be Tampa, but never know if a surprise team quietly has entered the mix.. I'm hoping they will net at least a first rounder, with a mid round next year that could escalate to a 2 if Revis is re-signed. Also wonder if the extra 3mil cap hit by trading him is unavoidable or not..
The Jets are at the point where they have to trade him. They've alienated him and pissed him off. The reason why the Jets entertain other GM's is because they WANT to make a trade. They have to. After all they've done with him and this drama this offseason, why would they act in a way that prohibits or makes trades more difficult? I don't think there's a problem with what you said. Maybe make me (the other GM) just give ball park offers of what I'd give for Revis re-signed to a reasonable deal, and what I'd give if its a 1 year rental. Then let me talk to Revis as the process goes along. I have no problem with that, as long as you dont expect me to basically agree to a trade without knowing and confirming from Revis himself.
An offer is not an agreement. It's a start. The Jets aren't asking teams to make a blind deal. They're asking teams to make an offer before they can talk to Revis. If the team and Revis can't work out a deal then no harm no foul. The earlier story quoted a GM as saying he wasn't willing to make an offer to the Jets until he got to speak to Revis. That's completely useless to the Jets because they're giving away their exclusivity on Revis without even knowing what the trade would produce if Revis was willing to go the other way. A GM comes in the door and says "ok, let me talk to Revis and then I'll let you know what I'm offering." The Jets say "ok, go at it." The GM comes back a day later and says "ok, Revis and I have a deal. I'll give you a 3rd round pick for him." After laughing the GM out of the room what exactly did the Jets get in that scenario? Answer: they got screwed, because now there's GM out there who knows exactly what it will cost him to sign Revis in 2014 and Revis knows exactly what he can get from that team on the open market.
Been thinking about it and I think Denver is a real possibility. Here's why: 1. The Broncos clearly value the CB position very highly. They traded for Champ Bailey in his prime and then gave him a top 5 contract for the next decade. 2. Champ Bailey is getting old and they'll want another shutdown CB to replace him when he goes. 3. They signed Peyton Manning last year with a big question mark hanging over him on the injury front and gave him big money at the same time. They profited heavily from the move. 4. They have a pick at the end of the 1st round, which makes a good basis for a deal alongside a conditional pick next year. 5. Pat Bowlen really wants to win another Super Bowl. He's 69 now and he knows that the window for a Super Bowl is basically tied to Manning and Bailey. 6. The Broncos are going hell-bent on the attempt to cut Elvis Dumervil's salary and cap number for the year. Their current cap number is only 4 to 5 million under at this point. They need more space for a Revis deal.
He's not just all-pro; he's all time great. And the ACL is not as huge an issue as it was in the past (AP, Wes Welker, etc.) The much larger issue for most teams is money, and if they can sign Revis to a long-term deal
It also stated a financial benefit with an extension. They can get cap relief in a trade, if the trading partner is willing.
