I am sorry, I was referring to his discussion of the source of that Post story, not on the allegation of lying.
Yeah, I was just defending myself. You are correct that it could mean something, but certainly not enough to assert it as fact.
If you think that an anonymous source is the same as hearsay than maybe I was wrong about you being a liar. I'll leave it at that.
You gave him too much credit for guile. :rofl2: Look, Mevi$ already knows he's not getting SuperMario money, he set the bar there as a starting point. But the simple fact is, (and look around the league) is the new CBA, setting a rookie cap made the vets think they were getting over. The reality is the opposite....the day of huge deals is gone for most positions, especially those where speed is a factor. The evolution of the college game to more pro style offenses, tightens that noose even further. Revis is a great corner...but at the end of the day...he's a corner...
But he's the Jets best player and the best CB in the league. And the fans love him and the 6-7 plays he makes a game. How could we not pay him what he wants and continue to make the same mistakes over and over by paying big money for positions that are not that important relatively (CB, center. ILB) and continue without a pass rush or QB, or dynamic offense a d hope to win 10 games and make the playoffs if everything falls right. Doesn't anybody understand that the roster has a chance to be better with more picks, more younger inexpensive players, and by freeing up $15 million a year in cap space. Add in not having the annual hold out issue with Revis and the distraction (and selfish example) that brings to the team every July. Revis is great, but no corner is worth the money he wants and no corner coming off that injury is worth even close to that much. But Revis doesn't think that way. He doesn't care about the team or winning. He only cares about his contract. If the Jets don't extend him this offseason for $14-16 million a year for 5 years or more, he will hold out and/or walk after this season because the Jets will have shown him, in his mind, the ultimate disrepect. The only viable option the Jets have in dealing with such a self-centered player with an inflated view of his value is to trade him now while they can get something for him and concentrate and finding paying players at positions that translate to winning in 2013 - QB, OLB/DE, OL - and by filling the many other holes in the roster with young, fast , cheap players who outperform their pay ( WR, RB, Safety, TE ) Having the best CB and center and two down LBs in the league and eating up half the cap with players at positions that don't translate to wins has to end now and the Jets need to build a team that can win consistently in today's NFL and that starts with not having CB eat up 1/5 of the cap. Revis is just not worth the money he wants ecause no CB is in this era os wide open 3-4 WR sets. He can only cover one guy. I'd rather find a QB and defensive players that can get to the QB then pay $15 million to watch Revis shut down a big time receiver 4-5 times a year in a 9-7 season.
yeh yeh anonymous sources are sources, but generally they are pretty weak. in sports, especially so. when the only stuff actually linked to the organization or players coming out says that there are no trade talks, and that darrelle wants to stay a jet for life, then those anonymous sources become hearsay. you can choose to believe it if you want, but without a verifiable source, there is no need to. it is just food for thought at that point. Revis is going to want a big contract, we all know that, but that doesnt mean 16 million, and it doesnt mean he isnt willing to work out a deal that will allow him to retire a jet. there is no point in citing anonymous sources and holding them in higher esteem than the statements by the jets and revis himself.
also its absurd to think revis has a responsibility to deny these claims. its a game of leverage, and if he says, no im not looking for THAt huge a contract, then he could get lowballed...
The Jets or Revis said otherwise??? Anonymous sources have value - obviously they aren't as valuable as Revis himself or the Jets saying what he wants but neither of them have said otherwise unless I missed something. Again, this isn't the Daily News who uses nothing but anonymous stories. And again, anonymous sources are used ALL THE TIME in journalism. What do you think the Post made this figure up? Do you think they got it from incarcerated bob? There is a reason every news outlet (espn, nfl.com, yahoo sports, pff, ...) has been repeating the figure reported by the post - because it's probably legit. You guys want to pretend like it's not legit, go ahead. Obviously there is merit to what they're saying though. And saying "there is no actual evidence" is misleading at best given the fact that the NY Post reported this. The evidence is the post report. If you want to say their is nothing from Revis or the Jets saying this, then fine, but there is a report for a legit newspaper citing an anonymous source. They aren't just pulling the figure out of thin air.
Anonymous sources have VERY SMALL merit, but they ARE hearsay. It is subjective evidence at best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay You heard from an NY Post writer, who heard from "someone familiar with his thinking". There is no way to verify the claim. It is hearsay. You can play the denial game all you want, but that's the ONLY FACT of the matter here. The claims simply do not have OBJECTIVE value, which is what matters in real life when it comes to facts. When I say "actual" evidence, I mean physical tangible evidence. Something that can examined to prove the accuracy of a statement. That's how science works and that's the level of scrutiny I hold to claims like that. You guys fly the media flag like it's gospel. It's just entertainment to keep us interested in football and generate revenue until the season begins. Speculation is the name of their game. That is their nature. They are a profit making business FIRST. You have to look at it for what it is. I stand firmly behind the phrase "proof or it didn't happen". The best you can say about the Revis claim is that it MIGHT be true.
the ny post is not some sanctuary of journalistic ethics dude, its the post. its a shitty paper. i dont know why you keep bringing up the post like thats supposed to mean something. anyway, as far as the jets are concerned, the only statements to come out are that we are not trading revis. the only thing revis has said, other than a take away comment about how it would be cool to play for a certain team, has been that he wants to stay on the jets. the 16 million number has been tied to revis for a while now, but the funny thing about journalists now is that if another guy reports it, they will too, and the factcheckers will just go ok, it was printed over there... hell even saying 'someone from revis' camp' would have more merit than, 'someone familiar with his thinking' hell, im sure there are hundreds of guys who could claim to be 'familiar with his thinking'... im sure revis is looking for a lot of money, but he hasnt made mention of anything but wanting to get back on the field and to remain a jet. 'league sources' also said the 9ers and falcons were interested before the teams themselves shot down those reports...
sports are serious business, clearly peoples identities need to be protected in the face of federal government conspiracy :breakdance:
Lol @ discrediting the Daily News and using the Post of all papers as the shining bastion of journalistic integrity. They might as well be the same paper imo...
NO ONE should use these 2 rags for accurate information. I'd almost get anonymous info from someone on this message board. If it's not Shefter/Glazer/Breer, it's usually bullshit.
The point of differentiating from the daily news is that the daily news has completely ruined it's credibility with jets reporting the last decade by repeatedly using anonymous sources to bash the Jets. The post has not done this. Surely you can see the huge difference between the two in terms of Jets reporting. @barcs We are not conducting a science experiment. We're discussing sports. If you want actual scientific evidence before anything can be discussed on here than don't expect much conversation. I think that you're a super homer who doesn't want to believe this so you are pounding your fist and demanding scientific evidence. lmfao! I laugh at the Revis fan boys who are so eager to quickly dismiss the report from the post. I guess I should take you more seriously though - I mean it's not like Revis has ever done anything in the past to suggest that wanting to be paid the highest defensive contract in NFL history could be true. oh and FTR, I'm not saying the report IS DEFINITELY TRUE, I'm saying there's a really good chance it is. I don't think most papers just make things up or post things from bullshit sources. I also think Revis's history suggests it as a logical next step.
"Familiar with his thinking" would be somebody Revis shares his thoughts with on a regular basis. You know, a friend, family member or agent. It wouldn't be the owner, GM or coach he was negotiating with for a new contract. Using the phrase above indicates the source is likely in Revis camp. Using it to represent somebody on the other side of the negotiation would be misleading at best, since nobody on the other side of the negotiation is going to know what Revis is thinking for sure.
I mostly agree with this with the exception that if the Jets and Revis had preliminary contract discussions it is possible that whoever was involved in those conversations on the Jets knows the contract goals of the Revis camp. I don't think it's a sure thing that the occurrence of such discussions would be public. I'm not sure why you are making it a point to differentiate though?
There is one other remote possibility. The figure was leaked by the organization, to dry up the market for Revis, knowing that teams are going to dump large salaries this year and next(because of the new CBA and rookie cap) thereby lowering his demands to something reasonable....he's not going to want to play this year on a one year deal and risk another injury.
The writer can't use "familiar with his thinking" if it's a leak from the other side. They'd have to use "a source in the Jets organization" instead. If they're using "familiar with his thinking" then either the source is on Revis side of the fence or the writer and his editors are misleading us.
