Your points are precisely the reasons, particularly when you add cap considerations, why the Jets would be stupid to move Revis now. Better they wait to see how Revis's comeback is going, whether that increases his market value, avoid the cap hit from a pre-June 1 move of another $3million, and best of all try to sign him to a manageable contract replacing the current one.
I predict Revis stays with the Jets and gets an injury in the first or second game to insure he's out for the season again...he may be good, but he's only good when he WANTS to be good-trade him anywhere for someone with a better work ethic who actually wants to play-
No I can comprehend quite well, you said when it's all said and done Jets will likely get a 3rd round pick for Revis. This implies you believe the best the Jets can do is only get a third round pick for him. Your other posts are irrelevant.
where the fuck is this bullshit about revis faking injuries coming from? seriously this sort of shit is really pissing me off. say what you want about the money, this shit is just straight up disrespectful. NOBODY IN THE LEAGUE HAS EVER ACCUSED DARRELLE OF BEING ANYTHING BUT A MODEL ATHLETE. AND FUCK EVERYONE WHO TRIES TO SAY OTHERWISE.
Really, let me help you out since you don't even realize you have a reading comprehension problem. ===== This is post you quoted: You see that sentence in bold? How about the part that's underlined & red font? The 3 round comp pick are if Revis WALKS AWAY ..... That means if Revis hits free agency and goes to another team. Where does it say he can't be traded for anything better than a 3rd rounder? If fact if you reread the first paragraph, it seems to indicate that I believe Revis can't bring in a 1st rounder right now. ======= Here let's make this even more simple. There's another post from me that's only a few posts beforehand. It looks almost like a trade package with a 2nd rounder + something else? I dunno. Maybe I'm reading it wrong though.
I think the Niners might go with #61 and then a #4 or a #5. If Revis lowered his contract demands and the Niners could extend him, I think they'd go higher than that. I can see them doing much more than that tho for a 1 year player.
All things being equal, you are right. They aren't equal tho. The injury isn't the big thing here. Its the one year left and no franchise clause. THAT is what is killing his trade value.
I'm guessing he winds up in Seattle if that's 49ers offer. If the 49ers set a low floor on Revis value the Seattle connection will turn into Revis parking there for a year - to keep him off the 49ers next season. Think about it.
? You really think Seattle would give up a #1 just to keep him off SF when they already have Sherman and Browner? Jeez....I hope they do. That would be fantastic. Nothing would make me happier than Seattle wasting a #1 pick for a 1 year player.
In your scenario all they have to do is give up a late 2 and a 2 next year and they are home free. The problem with creating a scenario in which the 49ers get Revis for a late 2 and a couple of mid-round picks is that then the market comes into play and you have to start wondering what teams like the Seahawks, Falcons and Rams would do to counter that weak offer. It's obviously worth something to each of those teams to deprive the 49ers of Revis services next year even if the prospects for a long-term deal aren't strong. Setting the floor for Revis services at a very low price makes the odds that somebody will jump in much higher.
I know all about competition setting a market for a player (see Smith, Alex). I'm not saying the 49ers will get Revis for #61 and a later pick. I'm saying I can't see the 49ers offering much more than that. If another team is interested then they might make that plunge. Hell, Atlanta released Dunta Robinson today. The thing YOU have to keep in mind tho is that he's a 1 year player for all of the teams the 49ers care about. Anyone who can afford to pay him what he wants in a contract isn't very good and won't be with a 16 Million dollar corner. This would be a LUXURY for the 49ers, not a necessity. If he's released, the 49ers could go after Nnamdi. Robinson is now a FA. Smith is out there. None of them are as good as Revis but they don't NEED them to be...they just need to be better than they are right now. A #1 for Revis for 1 year or nothing for Nnamdi, or Dunta? You do the math. Any team that gives up a first round pick for a CB who will only be around for a year is shooting themselves in the foot....PARTICULARLY if they are only doing so to keep him off the Niners. The 49ers were 5 yards away from the Lombardi and if they don't want to they won't lose anyone (they aren't sure they want to pay Goldson what he wants). The Falcons just lost Turner, Robinson and Abraham and Gonzo retired. They'll be looking for Pass Rushers. Seattle has holes to fill at WR and a few other positions. If you REALLY think that a team is gonna spend its #1 just to keep him off SF, you are sorely mistaken.
Was hoping for more but I totally understand your way of thinking. Revis contract situation + injury kills the Jets leverage on all these trades. Honestly, even if Revis wins a SB there, I've got serious doubts he would give the Niners any kind of "hometown" discount. I've got a feeling that Jets & Niners are gonna be stuck on: pick #34 vs. pick #61 until the very last night before day 2 of the draft. And then Jets settle for #64 + 4th rounder + really late 3rd day picks (rounds 6 & 7). I'm expecting Jets will give in because the comp pick from Revis walking is so much worst. It's basically one extremely late 3rd rounder & Rex probably won't have his job by the time Jets actually get to use it.
I never suggested any team would spend a #1 to keep him off of the 49ers. If the market is well below that value I think there are two teams that would beat the 49ers best offer in a heartbeat though.
You think the Jets won't call around the NFC West the night before day 2 if the 49ers 2nd plus a few miscellaneous picks is where they think they are at that point? You guys are basically suggesting that Seattle and St. Louis are going to be willing to let Revis join the 49ers in 2013 for cheap. I just don't think that's a realistic option for them if they want to compete given how stacked the 49ers roster already is. Even if Idzik wasn't the new GM the Jets and Seahawks have history on big trades. The Jets were stumped by the Falcons refusing to get off a 2nd round pick for JAbe in 2006. The Seahawks gave the Jets a late 1st round offer and the Falcons had to up their offer by bringing in Denver in a 3-way deal.
Seattle is a possibility because they might also be knocking on the SB door. Don't think the Rams are in the market for 1-year rental of Revis though. In my opinion: Niners & Broncos are the two teams that will give Jets the best packages. Niners with tons of picks & Broncos SB window only till Peyton's contract expires (and then he likely retires). I think it goes beyond winning games but also job security. If you're a GM and give up a 1st or early 2nd rounder for Revis, you've got a lot of explaining to do with the owner if Revis just walks out after only one season. Only GM for teams ready to bring home the championship have this type of job stability I think. Now if Revis agreed to an extension before the trade or was willing to give some kind of discount to his new team then I believe there's a serious bidding war for Revis & Jets have a good chance to make out like bandits.
i agree except with ur last statement. problem is revis and his "team" have established a track record for playing hard ball (maybe unreasonably so) so to expect an agreement like that or a "discount" is probably not prudent. it appears revis and his team have a slight chip on their shoulder with regard to the jets and until revis does something to convince me otherwise the likelihood of him doing anything to facilitate a deal is remote, IMO
I think this may be part of the problem. A #2 pick isn't "cheap". That's the price of a starting QB right now. As for your example, apples and oranges. Can someone come along to push up the price? Sure...the 49ers don't do that tho. They assign a value to a player and they won't budge. Thats why they could very well lose Dashon Goldson. They don't want to give him the $$$$ he's asking for. If his price doesn't come down they'll let him walk. They won't be dictated to. Might that cost them Revis? Yes. I'm fine with that. I'd much rather not get Revis than give up too much for him. Good teams are good for a reason. Good teams don't make those kinds of bad decisions (a 1 or multiple 2s). A bad team might do it for PR purposes, but the Niners won't care if that's the case and Revis will be on a perenial loser.
Denver is interesting. Dunno what they'd do there. The thing with the Niners is that they can give up a 2 and a 4 and still have tons of picks. Denver gives that up and they don't have much left.
Broncos don't have the picks or stability of the Niners. At the same time, I think they've got a lot more desperation than Niners. I think once Peyton hangs it up, the Broncos SB window closes. Being a great QB himself, I think Elway knows how much his Broncos are reliant on Peyton to continue their SB dreams. Hurts his Broncos in the long-run but I think Elway has the job stability & freedom to take that gamble/risk and still be around to rebuild Broncos into SB contenders again.
