QB Possibilities (players already in the NFL)

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Mambo9, Jan 19, 2013.

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Who would you prefer to have competing for the Jets starting QB job in 2013?

  1. Matt Flynn

    25.9%
  2. Kevin Kolb

    2.7%
  3. Colt McCoy

    4.1%
  4. Alex Smith

    23.2%
  5. Michael Vick

    6.5%
  6. Nick Foles

    7.2%
  7. Trent Edwards

    0.3%
  8. Kellen Clemens

    2.7%
  9. Someone else please...

    27.3%
  1. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Hindsight is 20/20, no one expected Wilson to be this good, and he had the same weapons Matt Flynn had and Flynn even with time spent learning from Rodgers in GB could not elevate himself from being a back up.

    But somehow he is going to come to the Jets who don't have the talent that Seattle has and turn things around?

    It's not going to happen...JMO
     
  2. LAJet

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    Broadway 4
    Outstanding cap analysis like always
     
  3. Section 227. Row 5

    Section 227. Row 5 Active Member

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    You nailed it, dude.
     
  4. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Finally.......
     
  5. Bills over Jets

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    That's absolutely absurd. Do you realize how dumb you sound? Lol. Here's his stat line from this season:

    60.6% completion, 3400yds passing, 24tds 16ints and 83.3 QBR.

    Worst QB in the nfl? LOL.
     
  6. HardHitta

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    Fitzpatrick isn't great but he's much better then Sanchez. Sanchez wouldn't be able to eclipse the 60% completion mark if his life depended on it.
     
  7. legler82

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    Does David Lee mean a Tarvaris Jackson reunion?
     
  8. MexicanJet

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    Oh god, I hope not.
     
  9. CasinoBlitz

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    We'll just have to agree to disagree here. I think a change of scenery with a decent OL gives Vick a chance to be a top 15-20 QB in this league for at least the short term. Vick took an absolute beating this year with that awful offensive line. He was never put in a position to succeed.

    I've never been a "Vick guy." I always thought that while he was exciting to watch, he was vastly overrated in Atlanta and his comeback tour in 2010 with Philly. But out of the available guys out there, I think he's the one with the most playmaking capability. He's at least shown he's capable of making big plays down the field with his arm and in the running game. As he gets older, he's not as much of a threat with his legs as he once was, but I've seen him chew the Giants' secondary over the past few years with some explosive performances, particularly in the passing game.

    He's never going to be that accurate drop back passer with great field vision and decision making that we all long for. But I firmly believe he can still threaten defenses with his arm and legs better than any of the other available suggestions out there (Alex Smith, Matt Moore, Flynn, Tavaris, etc.)

    Unfortunately, according to Schefter, it appears we won't get a chance to see it through. I just don't know how you expect to win as a Jets fan with a guy like Alex Smith or Matt Flynn as your QB. A guy like that can only take you so far and doesn't lose games for you but can seldom win games for you.

    Especially with the declining talent on defense, where it'd be extremely difficult to duplicate the 2010 run of completely shutting down Peyton, Tom and Big Ben, do you really see us ever threatening teams like Denver, New England, or Pittsburgh while Manning, Brady, and Big Ben are still playing? I can't even see us really threatening teams like Baltimore and Flacco or San Diego and Rivers (a new era without Norv Turner) or Indy and Luck if we have a guy like Smith or Flynn as our QB.



    Also, I'm sorry but I just can't agree that Matt Flynn lost his job to "one of the best QB's in the league."

    People do realize that Seattle had the 29th ranked passing offense in the league (only one ahead of the 30th ranked Jets with the pitiful Sanchez/Sparano combo)? Seattle average 202 yards per game through the air while the Jets average 198 YPG.

    Seattle got to the playoffs the way the Jets did early on with Sanchez - excellent defense and great running game. Seattle had the #3 ranked rushing attack in YPG and #6 ranked rushing attack in terms of yards per carry. They had the #1 ranked defense in terms of points per game, giving up only 15 PPG.

    The big differences between Russell Wilson and Mark Sanchez are this: Wilson doesn't turn the ball over consistently and Sanchez does (INT, fumbles). Russell Wilson is a running threat and Mark Sanchez is not. Wilson has some balls and doesn't panic or get flustered, Sanchez folds like a tent and runs from pressure like a little girl.

    If you watched Russell Wilson enough this year, you'd realize how overrated his rookie season was. I'll give him credit for taking care of the ball and not being afraid of the big moment by remaining calm, but he's not "one of the best QB's in the league."

    How many times does Russell Wilson drop back, can't really decipher the defense, and just scrambles around behind the line of scrimmage and then wait for his WR's to play sandlot ball or just keeps it himself and runs for a gain? Way too often. Even that great comeback against Atlanta, he dropped back and just ran around behind his offensive line until his WR's ad-libbed against the Falcons defense. He really does not excel at dropping back and reading the defense like a traditional QB.

    Russell Wilson gets way too much credit for that team's success. Marshawn Lynch and that defense were the catalysts for that Seahawks team all season long. Andrew Luck did a hell of a lot more for his team than Wilson. So did RG3.
     
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  10. CasinoBlitz

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    sorry - double post
     
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    Not true.

    Luck weeks 1-8 = 1.17 Pass-TD per game

    Wilson weeks 1-7 = 1.14 Pass-TD per game

    pretty even so far...

    Since week 10:

    Wilson: 65.7% Comp Pct, 223.5 pass-yds, 2.2 TD/0.4 INT (5.5 games)

    Luck: 51.3% Comp Pct, 254.1 pass-yards, 1.6 TD/1.4 INT (7 games)

    Not even close.

    On the season Wilson had 3 more TD's, 10 less interceptions, and about 10% higher completion percentage than Luck. He had more TD's despite about 33% less passing attempts!

    Talk about sandlot ball? Luck is the one who is gunslinging the ball downfield to the same top targets whether they are open or not. Wilson reads defences, goes through his reads, and is very accurate.

    I do think Luck is going to be great and there is a method to the madness as far as his style of chucking downfield goes but Wilson hit his stride mid-season and just took off whereas Luck started to struggle and did not show signs of his play going to the next level until the last couple weeks (less turnovers, more near misses on big plays, etc.)

    Bottom line, Russel Wilson had a better season than Andrew Luck. He deserves ROTY. He deserves all the credit he's getting, its long overdue.
     
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  12. Ben Had

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    Excellent post:beer:
     
  13. MurrellMartin

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    Nick Foles, Matt Moore or Tarvaris Jackson.

    Dream on re: Vick, Flynn or Smith. Too expensive.
     
  14. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Nick Foles?
     
  15. jesterjetman

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    6th round draft pick hidden talent (cant it be us for once)
     
  16. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Geno the Jet
     
  17. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    That talent when it is there usually takes more than a season to come out.

    Nobody in the organization is going to tie themselves to a 6th round pick until they are really certain he's got the goods. So the guy is going to have to fend mostly for himself the first year, with other QB's above him in the pecking order and with less access to resources than a lot of his competitors who have stakeholders in the organization.

    A 6th round lottery ticket is something that might pay off for the Jets a year or two down the road if Marty Morhinweg or David Lee really liked what they saw and took the guy under their wing this year. It would also require the Jets not being in position to acquire a talented but flawed QB elsewhere that took the spotlight and held it for a season too long for the late round guy.

    it's not a bad idea to bite on a guy in the 6th but it's very unlikely to produce anything more than a clipboard holder in 2013.
     
  18. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    You're saying were going to have a clipboard holder competition in training camp? :)

    Honestly, after last year I think every QB on the roster will be re-evaluated in TC. Sanchez will have to be head and shoulders above whoever else is there to get the job again. Right now I think he's lost the job and really has to earn it back to get it.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    Reading that list of choices just made me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

    Can we get Vinny Testaverde to come out of retirement just one more time?

    Heck, I'd take Tom Tupa over some of those guys on the list.
     

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