I don't know why the pistol isn't more used by more NFL and college teams. One weakness of the spread to me is you seldom get fooled about who has the ball. All the trickery comes from who gets the pitch, or will carry the ball. You never lose it like you can in a T formation (Lou Holtz ran a straight T a little at South Carolina. That was marvelous to watch. I wish they had run it more.). With the pistol you can actually make a fake, in addition to the regular spread trickery. I've read the statement that you can't really run a play action off the pistol, which is all kinds of confusing to me. If anything I think it would work better in the pistol than a regular spread.
I hear ya' ici' (btw, I don't care 'bout 1's political/religious fervor, affiliation etc. ..just NY JET football baby!) I somewhat agree based on what I have seen, that he may have some "arm-strength", but woefully lacks the finesse & accuracy to consistently use that trait in the overall passing game. That only comes with a total commitment to doing everything you can possible to attain that level of proficiency. I for 1, do not care about any media/fan-based "hype-a-zoidal" machinations that popularizes any individual by what he does off the field rather. NONE of my threads/posts here has been in deference to that point. My concern is/was solely I felt...IMHO...he would be useless in the JET Off scheme...proved correctly by the ultimate failure of Jet OC to incorporate his minimal skills to any form of success. T.T. should go off to the side, practice his @ss off & come back & prove to the doubters (like me that) he got game! I don't wanna' be inundated with "stats", awards & accolades he achieved in college & his 1 shortened season as a sort-of "Jeremy Lin" of pro-ftball, just prove us doubters wrong. Again...good luck T.T.!
Marc Trestman just got hired in CHI. I can see Tebow going there as a back-up. From what I read the other day he's worked with Trestman before in offseasons, and Cutler only has 1 year left on his deal and there's been rumblings his attitude may get him shipped. You never know. Tebow would have to change his number probably lol.
The moral of the whole story is that it is on Tebow to make something of his career. Tebow fans are locked into this idea that his problems are always someone elses fault, and the whole league should change to accommodate Tebow, or a whole team should change. It just isn't realistic and this is why the list is so damn short for a possible home for him in the NFL. There are ways to fix this, but it starts with getting out of denial of what the REAL problems are and then fix it. Like it or not, most of Tebow's problems are on him and ONLY he can change that.
IMO Tebow's main problem is that he has a few...mental barriers. Not saying he's dumb he's just not as fast at processing things as some other QB's. That's why he's best when the play breaks down. He doesn't have to worry about what the defense is gonna do at that point it's just instinct find a guy or run.
You really want Tebow to prove you wrong. You are spending a lot of time here trying to come up with ways to "fix" Tebow. I don't know which Tebow fans you've been talking to but I'm pretty sure they acknowledge the fact that he is far from a finished product. However, despite being a finished product he was able to win/luck/will (whatever you want to call it) his team to enough victories to back into the playoffs. He's going to get better and will eventually become a "good practice" player once a team gives him the keys to the car. He will have to prove he deserves that chance first and trust me, somehow, it is going to happen. It maybe next year, 2 years from now, 3 years from now but it is going to happen. I just have this weird feeling that someone will examine what is going on in the NFL with RG III, Wilson, Kaep, Cam and take a chance with one of the best to ever run the spread option/read option/veer/whatever the heck you want to call it.
Okay I guess I'm one of the Tebots or whatever, but the Jets have problems far beyond Tebow. I don't think Tebow had squat to do with what happened to the Jets this year. I lay all this on Ryan. Did someone shove Sparano down his throat? Or did Ryan decide to hire him? How much input does Ryan get on personnel issues? Why do you guys blame the former GM and put no onus on Rex Ryan? The guy is awful. I don't think he is as good a defensive coach as you guys seem to think either. Right now: 1) The Jets overall have personnel that aren't as good as the contending teams in the AFC. And the really good players are getting older. 2) A screwed up salary structure which along with the cap means they don't have much flexibility to make changes. 3) A total lack of anything resembling an offensive philosophy. Forget Tebow. What exactly are the Jets trying to do on offense? I've seen people say they try to be a power running team. Well that isn't immediately obvious to an outside observer. What is their offense anyway? They have multiple formations but it almost looks random as to what you see on the field and what play is called. I think you guys have a front office problem, and probably an owner problem. The owner needs to get serious about this team after roughly 40 years (is he the original owner?). Fish or cut bait. Above all you guys have a head coaching problem. If I owned or head coached an NFL team I wouldn't let that idiot anywhere near my team, unless some other team was dumb enough to hire him and he was on the opposing sideline. On the upside you are never that far away in the modern NFL. And with the media market you guys have you could easily blow up into the next dynasty team like the Patriots. Of course you could have said this about the Jets at anytime since... well 60 or 61, whenever the AFL started. Your wounds are self-inflicted. And there is no sign you guys are going to quit inflicting them any time soon.
I like Collin Klein, he is an interesting prospect, and they are very similar with regards to their dominance as rushers in the NCAA. Where they are not similar, though, is as passers, as Tebow was a much more dominant, elite passer in college than Klein. In a much tougher conference. I'll be surprised if Roethlisberger is still playing 5 years from now. He has had so many injuries, and has by most accounts made a career out of "hard living". Those 2 things don't usually add to equal longevity as a QB in the NFL. Doesn't mean I think Tebow will go to Pittsburgh, now or in the future, but I seriously doubt Ben plays into his late 30's. Any Tebow supporters who think Tebow will ever be "good enough" to shut up the haters are fooling themselves. He already proved he could play the position, and win at it, and people act like he has an 0-25 record in the NFL. He didn't play pretty, but neither did Andrew Luck this year, for crying out loud! And he got his team to the play-offs, with a better defense than what Tebow had in Denver. I have to laugh when people who hate Tebow say he should go play in the CFL so he can "prove himself". Who do they think they're kidding? Say Tebow goes to the CFL and has a year or two where he starts for a team and looks really good, has good offensive production and a good to great completion %, then starts talking about coming back to the NFL. The haters will say the exact same thing about the CFL that they say about his experience in college. They'll say it doesn't matter. They'll say the "CFL isn't the NFL, the CFL is where guys who couldn't cut it in the NFL go to play. Tebow having success in the CFL doesn't show he can be successful in the NFL". That is exactly what they will say. Write it down. Apology duly noted. You must have been living under a rock for the last few years to have made those comments. Either that or you don't know how to read. :rofl: Tebow has a howitzer compared to the Peyton Manning's and Matt Ryan's of the NFL. If they've got enough arm strength to play the position, then Tebow has lots to spare. Tebow is dyslexic. It's no secret. He has said himself that he is a kinesthetic learner, which means that he learns by "doing", not by "watching".
Uhh no. My whole point regarding Tebow since the Jets got him is that he was better than Sanchez. I suppose you could consider me a Tebow fan, but really I am just a Jets fan. Tebow should be able to easily get a backup job if he wants it. There is no reason he cant go to San Fran or Carolina and back up those guys who play in Tebow friendly offenses. He can also play special teams. If he wants to start, then he is in trouble. Logically the Jets could keep him and start him....he is afterall a better QB than Sanchez, but they wont do that.
I disagree that he's better than Sanchez. He would have at least gotten a decent look out there in either of the last couple games or when Sanchez was pulled. I'm thinking Rex saw a real horror show during practice and already had his mind made up even before midseason. Sanchez would win a bunch of games too if he got the same kind of defensive performand Tebow got for most of his wins. Evidence shows even Kyle Orton did. Plus, the Jet offense had a lot more problems on it than just Sanchez. Tebow wasn't going to fix THAT problem either.
All speculation. Sanchez gave games away even if the defense was playing a high level. Tebows duel threat ability masks an offense's lack of true play makers. How many qb would absolutely love to consistently play against a stacked box with man coverage? If Tebow was given time to grow with an offense I'm sure he would be able to take advantage of it.
Agreed, a dual threat QB is nice. The reaason he's going to have a really hard time finding a job is because tebow isn't ACTUALLY a dual threat. That is why so many teams got away with stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys. Nobody was afraid of his arm. That approach only hurt a couple of teams that took that a bit too.
I think people would be pleasantly surprised if Tebow was given an offseason developing chemistry with receivers as a starter. Personally I believe he fucked himself tampering with mechanics. He should never brought his religious beliefs into his profession because it just created absolutely crazed haters. His legions of fans do not exist, it's all media perception and they absolutely abused it. I like Tebow...he is a lot of fun to watch play and I'm saddened he wasnt given a real opportunity to shine. He's a playmaker who doesn't choke under immense pressure and that is why I respect him. I honestly believe the Jets would have been a much better team with Tebow as the starter. Sanchez is a joke and a choke artist.
It isn't just his mechanics though. He has a really rough time mastering the playbook and reading defenses. This is why probably 90% of his game is all improvising and flying by the seat of his pants. Sometimes it works, but evne the year he played, he was far more effective at the beginning than he was the last 6 games or so when teams had a better idea on what he was going to do. Plus, that dyslexia thing really works against him too. He has to do things to learn, which means SOMEONE has to invest starting game time. He's not going to pick things up in the film room like most. Part of the reason he has a rough time getting past that hurdle of getting game time to begin with. I think it is a big reason a lot of people follow him too. Personally i don;t care. Almost 80% of this country identifies themselves as Christian on some level. Errrrr... okay. .... ... .. .. . . .... . I happen to know he still has a lot of rabid fans in Denver even to this day. I have a guy sitting in the cube next to me who thinks Elway should apologize to Tebow for doubting him, and then trade Manning to the Jets to bring him back. jet fans would be in heaven (no pun intended) if that happened. Gotta win that audition first before you can get on stage. Personally, I didn't find him all that exciting. Sure, he ran around a lot rather than being a statue out there, but I didn't think all that punting and leading the league in three and outs, and completing less than half of his passes really all that exciting. Yeah, he made plays here and there, but far too few and far in between, IMO. Most GMs seemed to have noticed too, or they'd be offering their first born to bring in a guy like that. Face it, Tebow just isn't that good. A big reason a choe artist like Sanchez got to play and he didn't. Other teams seem to be going out of their way to dismiss the idea they are interrested in him too. Really doesn't get more straight forward than that. if Sanchez and Tebow were both cut today, guess who would get picked up first? Betcha almost all of them take Sanchez before Tebow.
Tebow has a big enough body of work, as does Sanchez to say Tebow is the better QB. Anyone stating otherwise is ignoring statistical fact because of their emotional feelings towards the players. Sanchez has had teams better than last years broncos, yet his turnover ratio has always been worse than Tebow, maybe excepting the 2010 anomoly where he had 10 fumbles but lost only 1. Tebow was never going to get a real shot with the Jets because Sanchez is fucking Rex's wife, and fufilling Rex's cuckold fetish.
Not looking to join the discussion. Just pointing out that the thread you are referencing is not on a "Jets Forum" or fansite. It is a Tim Tebow fans forum. You are welcome to join, since you are obviously spending time reading threads there and are one of Tebow's biggest fans.
That would be either the most kinky or the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of. That isn't my cup of tea, but by god if I had a fantasy about being cuckolded... Mark Sanchez? Mark Sanchez? I mean it would be like Jerry Lewis having an affair with your wife. My mind is boggling now. I'm seeing Mark Sanchez dressed up like a cabana boy. And Rex Ryan is like some overweight version of Dean Martin. One that doesn't have the common decency to be totally drunk. And that makes it worse somehow. Much, much worse. It's like one of those mumble core movies. You know the ones about aimless drippy saps with too much money you just want to reach onscreen and slap. I can't see it. I'm trying to picture Mark Sanchez having sex with a middle-aged woman. But all I got is butt fumble. I don't think this one is true. Ryan is too pathetic to even be a perv. He is who we thought he was. I mean this would make him interesting and newsworthy, therefore it can't be true. Hmm now I thinking he drafts Teo from Notre Dame. Take this freak show to an all new level.
