Having to hear about it non stop for 12 months and how Tebow brought down the super human mutant defense that carried him (even though they gave up 35 points in the first half) and the kicker with the unstoppable golden leg was not fun (this after an improbable run of 8-4 after being 7-24 in previous 31 games, a league worst). Kind of how its going to go in reverse now for the next 12 months until Manning's inevitable second choke in the playoffs as the Denver Broncos QB. Stay tuned...good times ahead.
The whole Broncos team choked, plain and simple. This might bring the downfall for them, just like when the Chargers lost to the Jets in 2009.
So let me get this straight. A pass that hits the WR in stride and on his hands is "not an easy catch" but a pass that is thrown behind the WR who has to leap and twist his body backwards just to get his hands on the ball is one that should be caught every time. Okay got it.
This thread was created by an obsessed Tebow fan trying to make an idiotic post about Tebow's former team. Your obsession is hilarious.
the pass was a little high and had too much on it as the receiver was GETTING HIT. Welker had to twist but wasn't being hit. Both balls could ahve been caught, only one of the receivers was hit as he got his hands on the ball. Very different circumstances but Peyton never makes a mistake, in SB XLIV it was his receiver running the wrong route:lol:
He hit Decker on the hands in stride. Decker should have caught the ball. We all know you hate Manning, but at least use common sense in your argument.
You are helping my point. The Patriots team now is more built around Brady than it was in his SB winning runs. Any statistic will tell you that. Then add in the advanced stat of approximate value, and it's clear as day, Brady was needed less in the 3 SB runs. When the teams got to being built around Brady as the Colts were around Manning, 2 SB trips like Manning, lots of 1 and dones, lots of low scoring games where he needed defensive help. Tom Brady's Approximate value in his 3 SB run season were: 12,13, and 16. Since those seasons he went 15,14,24,0, 16,18,21,18. I mean I'm actually compiling their stats now because I'm bored and it's eerily similar. Like look at this: 2007 PM L 24-28 * 33 48 68.8% 402 3 2 2007 TB W 21-12* 22 33 66.7% 209 2 3 2008 PM L 17-23 * 25 42 59.5% 310 1 0 2006 TB W 24-21* 27 51 52.9% 280 2 3 These are their playoff games against SD in a 3 year span. Peyton played better, threw for better numbers, Tom Brady got the win playing worse. Yet we hail Brady for winning and yell at Peyton for losing? 2012 PM L 35-38* 28 43 65.1% 290 3 2 2011 TB W23-20* 22 36 61.1% 239 0 2 Again two games against similar BAL teams, we hail Brady for winning and crush Peyton for losing. PM 2000 L 17-23* 17 32 53.1% 194 1 0 82.0 TB 2001 W20-17* 16 27 59.3% 145 1 0 86.2 PM 2005 L 18-21* 22 38 57.9% 290 1 0 90.9 PM 2010 L 16-17* 18 26 69.2% 225 1 0 108.7 TB 2001 W 16-13* 32 52 61.5% 312 0 1 70.4 TB 2003 W 17-14* 21 41 51.2% 201 1 0 73.3 PM 1999 L 16-19* 19 42 45.2% 227 0 0 62.3 Again, here are very similar games, PM gets the losses, TB gets the wins, yet they both played very similarly and Peyton better the majority of the time. hard for me to look at record, for 23 and 20 games out of a 200 and 175 game career for both of them, see that their numbers are very similar and then say one is better when clearly other things such as ST/D affected the games. Add in the fact Flacco and Sanchez have represented the AFC in championship games the last 5 years, it's really hard for me to take playoff record as a QB stat. Flacco and Sanchez were not top 5 QBs let alone top 10 QBs in the NFL those 5 years, yet lo and behold their teams went 2-1 in all those playoff runs. Another quick eye stat is playoff games where the QB threw more INT than TD Brady has 6 such games, Brady is 4-2 in those games Peyton has 5 such games, Peyton is 2-3 in those games In the last 5 playoff apperances from Peyton, he has had 0 games with more INT than TDs. Brady has had 3 such games and went 2-1 in those games. He also has a 0 TD game which he won. For their playoff careers, Brady has throw 0 TDs twice and gone 2-0. Peyton has done it 4 times, gone 1-3. This all just shows me there is much more to W-L than QB stats yet everyone points to playoff W-L as a QB stat. I will have to dig deeper, but it's not a slam dunk for Brady as everyone assumes. It's really close.
That is one heck of a comeback to my post which I am not even half way done with. I guess that's settled and I don't have to finish it . Peyton Manning is a perennial playoff choke artist.
I apologize for the poor quality of the screen shots. But as you look at them you will see that Manning is not late with his throw and that Decker easily should have caught the pass.
What were you in the middle of doing? Stealing someone else's work and then using as your "response" again.
This is my favorite. So you are giving Brady credit for Ben Watson chasing down Champ Bailey and Crumpler chasing down David Harris? Both picks in scoring range? That's off the top of my head too. We are crediting Brady for throwing interceptions and having teammates that are quick and catch other people? :lol: See there's more to everything than meets the eye. You seem to explain away success Peyton has and failure Brady has but not the other way around. That's what I'm going to attempt to do.
NE was 5-11 w/o Brady in 2000 and started 0-2 in 2001, how did they not need Brady? Weer they more reliant on D that first year? sure but Brady was vital for their turnaround which never happens if he doesn't play. Stats NEVER tell the whole story. 2007 loss to SD he threw TWO RZ INTs that cost his team 3-7 pts each time in a 4 pt loss. Not all INts are equal. 2008 loss to SD, had the ball needing ONE 1st down to end the game, FAILS and takes a sack on 3rd down to have his punter punting from back of the EZ which sets up tying FG and they lose in OT. against Bal this and last year: Peyton got TWO TDs from STs, threw a pick 6 and threw the INT that set up the GW FG in 2OT. 2000 loss to Miami: against legendary choking D(Miami lost 38-3 in '98, 62-7 in '99 and would lose a week later 27-0) led high powered O to 3 pts all of the 2nd half and OT. That Brady 20-17 game in 2001? he only led a SUPER BOWL winning drive in the final minute. 2005 vs. Pitt. Had obvious INT overturned or game would have been over, also after he failed on downs late and gave Pitt ball deep i Indy territory Indy's D forced a TO and returned it to midfield and he still couldn't get the game to OT. 2010 vs. us: needs one 1st down to ensure Vinatieri's FG would have won it and we wouldn't have time, not only does he fail on 3rd down he saves us a TO w. an incomplete pass. the 16-13 Brady game in '01 was in a BLIZZARD and he led them to ting and winning FGs late in agme and in OT. Manning 1999 vs. Ten: put up garbage time TD to make ascore looks closer. Put up 9 pts in competitiev portion of game. The D's for both teams have been similar in terms of points allowed. (in regulation) pts allowed by manning playoff D's(20 games): 383 pts, 19.1 PPG pts allowed by Brady playoff D's(23 games): 447, 19.4 PPG 19.4 is more than 19.1, right? It's not the raw #s, it's constantly failing in big spots. I think the difference is illustrated in SB XLII & SB XLIV. In XLII Brady leads his team 80 yds late for the go ahead TD only to see his D give up a TD to lose. In XLIV Peyton is going in for the tying TD and throws an INT for TD late to end all hopes for Indy. That sums them up perfectly. It's not all about #s, his #s look really good/great against Pitt '05 and SD '07 but he was the main reason Indy lost both games. IF Peyton wouldn't have choked away SB XLIV there would be a discussion right now but w/ that choke Brady is so far ahead of Manning it's almost not worth debating anymore and that's with Brady "struggling" the last few years.
If those are considered chokes, what are Brady's two SB losses to ELi, his loss to Joe Flacco in 2009 and his loss to Sanchez in 2010? What's his 37 ppg 16-0 team doing putting up 31, 21, and 14 points in that playoff run. See if you explain a favored loss as a choke, NE as just as many from poor QB play. The difference is NE found a way to win with poor/average QB play while IND could not strike gold more than once that way.
Yes, w/ Peyton's there hasn't been a chance for an offensive player to make a tackle so yes Brady hasn't allowed a INT return for a TD. Remmeber we didn't even score on the possession after the Harris INT.
Which one is XLII the one where he average 37 ppg and and then put up 14 or the one where he had 7 points on his first second half drive and then 0 points the rest of the game?
The ball is halfway to the receiver and the defender is already up the wide receivers back. That is not an easy catch and if Peyton had thrown it when he made his break it would have been much easier. As you can see in the first picture he hadn't started throwing yet.
In SB XLII he led his O 80 yds to give his D a 4 pt lead in the final minutes. They got steamrolled by Bal in 2009. Brady has some chokes but he gets the benefit of the doubt b/c he has come through far more often than not which cannot be said for Peyton.
Yes and you are crediting Brady for that? :lol: Junc you're delusional if your giving credit to Brady credit because his TE run down the interceptions he threw. Like seriously, he gets credit for Crumpler tackling the guy who picked him off, then credit for his defense stopping the Jets and then credit for the missed FG? :breakdance:
it's the one where he led his O 80 yds int he final minutes to give his D a 4 pt lead. you don't want to get into the average pts scored in the playoffs vs. reg season, do you? w/ all those high powered Colts Os and avering about 2 TDs per game in their playoff losses.
