Ian O'Connor: "Weak Woody bamboozled by Rex"

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  1. xjets2002x

    xjets2002x Active Member

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    Rex has become Isiah to Johnson's Dolan, but I blame Tannenbaum for that. Rex was given way too much power from the getgo. He needs to be reined in.

    That said, there are very few coaches who have ever won here, and he's shown that he can if you give him league average talent. The Jets haven't had that in two years.

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  2. Gunther

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    Blaming Rex is easy, because he is the most visible, and vocal. However to place him in the position of others who do nothing but scout talent is ignorant and naive. Rex took a lot of heat for Woody, and Woody knows it.
     
  3. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    Of course it is that is why you need a good GM to reduce the risk of that first pick missing. Gholstan and Sanchez were both top 10 picks you miss on both you get fired.
     
  4. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Again in the Jets situation Rex was involved in the picks. If you want to be in denial about that then so be it. It's a fact.
     
  5. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    To much power? What the hell does that mean how much power does Rex have? Was it the power to fire Schotty when he was hire? Was it the power to sign Free agents? Was it the power of negotiating Revis or Sanchez's deal?

    Every coach in the NFL gives his input on players or the type of players he wants it is up to the GM to find them. The buck stops with the GM he makes the final ion the pick and has the most info to make the pick.

    Again, what is this so called power? It almost seems like he a had to little power on the offensive side of the ball but took the heat anyway when it failed.

    Everybody can speculate nobody knows except Wood Rex and Tanny.
     
  6. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    And Woody has taken a lot of heat for Rex by retaining him here so it goes both ways. I never said Rex was solely to blame for their draft blunders. However he did have input into them. Period.
     
  7. cval

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    What coach is not involved in the picks? He gives his input it is up to the GM to decide who to pick.

    What high round pick did Rex miss on. Sanchez was basically picked before he got hired and he was not involved with the Gholston pick.

    Connor he was a fifth rounder. Please argue with facts
     
  8. Gunther

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    Everyone makes mistakes, and so what if he did have input. Just makes him human. This team hasn't done things right for a very long time. I don't blame the employees.
     
  9. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    A little contradiction there, no? In the first statement you say that the buck stops with the GM and he has final say on all picks.

    Then you come back and say that Rex had too little power on the offensive side of the ball. Well that would include personnel moves and drafting on offense.

    So if you thought that Rex didn't have enough power on the offensive side of the ball then you clearly would have liked for him to have more input and power on the offense which includes drafting and player personnel decisions, right?
     
  10. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    Rex and Tanny first round Draft picks arguably the coach has the most influence

    2009- Sanchez
    2010- Wilson
    2011-Wilkerson
    2012- Coples

    All starters but I will admit Sanchez is bust but I will also admit Freeman is a bust

    Wilson- Solid Starter

    Wilkerson- Future pro-bowler

    Coples- Looks like the real deal

    Besides Sanchez which I would argue was picked before Rex was hired his other top picks are pretty good
     
  11. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Rex was the one who pushed for Sanchez over Freeman so you don't know the facts if you say that Rex didn't miss on a high first round pick!!

    Dude you can't have it both ways. Either you're going to say the coach does have input and he's held liable or he does not. Accountability 101.
     
  12. cval

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    My point was I have no idea how much power Rex had on the offensive side of the ball. It does not look like much he surely did not have a huge say in who they drafted.

    I think the GM is responsible for finding players especially in the later rounds where scouting is much more of a factor.
     
  13. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    LOL "So what if he did?" That was my whole point! If he did have input then he needs to be held accountable to a degree. I never blamed it all on Rex. I just said he shares some of the blame. So according to your logic, you don't blame anyone when anyone makes mistakes. Ok sure that makes a lot of sense :breakdance:
     
  14. cval

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    I think the Jets were looking at Freeman and Sanchez and Rex and Schotty voted Sanchez as obviously did Tanny. They both Suck but Sanchez has won four playoff games so Sanchez was the better pick.
     
  15. cval

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    Rex has very little blame for the Sanchez pick and much more accountable for

    Wilson,Wilkerson and Coples

    A rookie head coach coming in with a defensive of background and you really think he had that much influence in the Sanchez pick?
     
  16. Jon_Snow

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    Rex defenders try to build a defense based on the nonsense he says. Rex in the press conference said something to the effect his biggest mistake or regret is not putting himself into the entire team.

    For the past couple of years people having been begging Rex to take control of the failing offense and gain control of the entire team. Only now four years later Rex realizes he's not involved enough. We saw what happens when Rex gets involved in the offense, he hired Sparano, pushed Run n Gun, and instituted Tebow and the Wildcat.

    So if you ask me if more Rex is the answer. I would give a resounding NO.

    The truth is Rex doesn't have a clue about the offensive side of the ball and is poor evaluator of talent.
     
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  17. Gunther

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    Employees don't make the rules. I just try to keep it into perspective. Not saying that you aren't but, I don't know any employee who is the overall reason of a companies success or failure.
     
  18. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Again, Accountability is all I'm saying. That employee may not be the single overall reason that a company succeeds or fails however if that employee is not doing their job or messing up, then they are contributing to that company's success or failures. And if that's the case you better be sure that the company's hierarchy is going to hold them accountable if they fail in certain aspects of their job.
     
  19. cval

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    What talent did he poorly evaluate?

    It could mean Rex is clueless on the offensive side of the ball or it could be he was limited by the GM and owner we just do not know.
     
  20. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    Give me football reason not press conference shit or media crap but football reasons.
     

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