Brainlessly bash former Jet employee, Brian Schottenheimer

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    so how many other seasons did we win playoff games? that would kind of make '68 fluky, right? where everything broke right for us, the 2nd place team was a .500 team, the best reg season teams in the AFL had to have a 1 game playoff while the Jets had a "bye", we got the Raiders in the title game at HOME despite Oak having a better record AND beating us in the reg season. Yeah, it was a fluky year.

    I don't glorify Herm or Schottenheimer, I discuss reality unlike you w/ Joe namath. I never called either coach great, never portrayed them to be anything other than what they were. I'm just not some whiny fan who blames ever failure on coaches.

    The Jets won 2 div titles in the '97-'10 period including setting a franchise record for wins in 1998 but unfortunately the league didn't gfrant us a home AFC Championship game like the '68 team got despite a lesser record than Oak. Oh and most of that time period we had a DYNASTY team in our division, we are the ONLY team to win an AFC East title in a year Tom Brady was the primary starter for NE. The 2 div titles in the late 60s had Hou as the 2nd place team each year w/ records of 7-7 and 6-6-2.

    what's the point about the HOFers? we had 2 players in the HOF before Curtis(primary Jets) and one made it not b/c of his play on the field but b/c of what he meant to the game. we went 0 for the 70s in making the playoffs so what HOfers were we going to have?

    I appreciate what the late 60s teams did but let's not make them out to be a dynasty. The truly great teams have a sustained level of success not a blip 2 year run in a weak division.
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but Sanchez sucks.
     
  3. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Two candidates for the Jaguars HC job are expected to be 49ers OC Greg Roman and Rams OC Brian Schottenheimer.
     
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    If that's true then damn. Talk about failing upwards.
     
  5. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    Well...if Sparano was somehow able to get a HC job, I suppose Schotty could get one too. Plus, the Rams were in the running for the playoffs until week 16.
     
  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Isn't it amazing how Schotty's name floats to the surface so regularly given how mediocre his offenses are? On the Jets the last couple of years the prognostications by people like Rex were of the "take my wife, please" variety. I wonder if the Rams are floating Schotty's name also?
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    he is highly respected around the league, they undrestand the circumstances he had to deal w/ in NY and realize how good of a job he did w/ what he had.
     
  8. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    So does Alex Smith.

    Brian Schottenheimer btw is living off his father's name. Jaguars have no clue what they are doing over there. They keep hiring bad offensive coordinators
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    LOL - imagine if Caldwell was hired by the Jets and fired Rex for Schotty? OH MAN I would have been fuming.
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    if he does hire Schottenheimer(I think Roman is the favorite) he will essentially have picked Brian over Rex.
     
  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Assuming Rex was a reason he chose Jax.
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I would assume the chance to choose his own HC probably had an influence on his decision but who knows?
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    The Schotty Haters here will never give up despite the obvious evidence that he was NOT the one responsible for the putrid O in 11, and also despite the fact that the Rams improved very much from 11 to 12.
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    That is a strong possibility. His list of HC candidates seems shitty to me ... it also included Mike Nolan yesterday.
     
  15. geomon

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    Improved very much? From 32 to 25 and I'm sure that had nothing to do with Jeff Fisher as HC. Nope, all Schotty baby!
     
  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I don't know about the Fischer influence but when you're ranked 32 in offense you have no where to go but up. 25th isn't impressive.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Rams offense didn't improve all that much. Bradford had a sub 60% completion rate, and Bradford IMO coming out of college had amazing accuracy.

    Smoke and mirrors - that offense wasn't that much better. Now Schottenheimer wasn't directly responsible for the woeful offense, but he surely was part of it. He claims to run an Air Corynell offense, yet we rarely took shots down the field. Just constant short passes. Everyone run a 5 yard curl route or out route on each down!
     
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    It isn't impressive at all. Especially when they played Arizona twice.
     
  19. displacedfan

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    How so? The Rams went from worst to bottom 7, that's improving very much? He took the worst offense in the league and made them marginally better when they had nowwhere to go but up.

    He was an average to below average OC here. Sanchez is actually the first QB to regress after leaving him and somehow our RZ efficiency this year was ~48% (25th in the league) was better than 2010 with Schotty and in 2010 with better QB, RB, OL, and WR play it was ~44% (28th in the league). The one outlier year, was 2011 which most people here attribute to Plax and Moore which seems to hold true as the average ballooned that one year only under Schotty and that was the one year we had Tom Moore and Plax.

    The Jets need an above average OC and offense for once. Sparano and Schotty just don't seem to bring that dynamic. Granted Sparano wasn't given the talent Schotty had, but it was very conservative.

    Schotty might become a great OC in STL, I actually think Bradford could fit his model offense better than Sanchez. But the point is to tailor the offense to Sanchez which is something Schotty just seemed to have trouble to grasp to do. Maybe's it's because Sanchez sucks, maybe it's because Schotty's not good, I think it's a combination and in addition Schotty needed a fresh start. He seemed to try to fit the players into his offense rather his offense to the players.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Considering the lack of weapons they had on O and their best weapon in the pass game being hurt half the year it was very impressive. They went from 175 pts(10.9) in 2011 to 262(16.4) in 2012. That's almost 6 PPG higher. That's significant w/ less talent in the pass game.
     

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