Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    the problem is paying him the money he is owed which is a lot of money. of course i'm not that familiar with how the cap works and everyone has said its impossible to flat out cut him.
     
  2. GangGreenTay

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    watching RG3's press conference right now he has a legit reason for his interception. Mark woulda been like "i need to play better". Watching Wilson escape the pocket, block, and actually throw the ball away was like watching a masterpiece of QB'ing, Mark would have thrown an interception or run into his own lineman trying to block. Watching Luck today yes he did throw an interception but he was trying to be as aggressive as possible. Mark would have gotten intercepted in the end zone 3 times trying to throw a 5 yard pass.
     
  3. alleycat9

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    wilson does the little things like hit the te who is 8 yards in front of him running away from him directly on the front shoulder. easy catch and never breaks his stride as he runs for 15 yards with a lb hot on his heels.

    mark sanchez would throw the ball too high or on his back shoulder and it would be incomplete or would be caught for an 8 yard gain instead of a 25 yard gain.

    for all of the blatantly terrible things mark sanchez does and did this year the things that concern me are the little things like what i just talked about. those are the difference between winning games and losing games. and mark sanchez cannot make those plays on anywhere near a consistent basis. sure he might get it close enough for the guy to catch it but his lack of accuracy makes everything more difficult.
     
  4. Acad23

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    In Sanchez' defense, Sparano didn't have those type of plays in the game much.

    And there's a certain amount of timing involved.
    That said, every pass was an adventure with Sanchez this year.
     
  5. WillyBeaman

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    Bingo. Luck pushes the ball down the field. He has a mediocre supporting cast and running game but he gives that team a chance. Leader, not passenger like young Sanchez. Love the way he is not afraid to make a mistake.
     
  6. The_Darksider

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    It's the chicken or the egg - sure, the playcalling was bad (and this is not meant as a defense of Sparano by ANY means) and the talent was down - but how about how often Sanchez missed wide open targets, threw it behind guys, made guys fall down to catch a ball when they could conceivably have gotten some YAC?

    And of course the turnovers. I know the talent is easy to blame, but he got so flustered and skittish that he couldn't do anything at all any longer.
     
  7. Aewhistory

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    I never got around to replying to this, but I'd like to. While I still think the Mirer comparison is valid, I can see why some consider it harsh. After all, Sanchez has actually DONE something. I don't recall Mirer doing anything successful in his career.

    Plummer, OTOH, played on a really bad Cards team if memory serves. So I would factor that in when looking at his stats, especially his early stats. Just as some would say comparing Sanchez to Mirer is harsh, I would argue the same for Plummer and Sanchez. I always thought Plummer got hammered in Arizona and only came into his own in Denver only to retire before really playing out his career. Granted, I didn't follow him closely (I've got a soft spot for Plummer because he is a fellow Basset Hound owner) but those were my observations. And say what you will about both Mirer and Plummer, I don't think either did some of the goofball, dain bramaged, embarrassing things that Sanchez has done in his career.... Although Mirer came close.
     
  8. Aewhistory

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    Or Tyler Durden......

    Now let's see how many people get the reference and how long it takes.....

    :grin:
     
  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's not cutting him that is impossible. It's the contract that is impossible. The Jets are impossibly screwed no matter what they do with Mark Sanchez next season. They can't cut him without having a huge impact and they can't keep him without having a huge impact. It's like the perfect cycle of screwed-ness.

    Ok, so now we've gotten past that point. We're totally screwed no matter what we do. So given that fact what are the actual differences between keeping him and cutting him on June 1st?

    Here's my Pro's and Con's related to cutting Mark Sanchez on June 1st:

    Pro's

    Sanchez is gone. There's no chance at all that he sets foot on the field for the Jets next year. There's no chance that Rex Ryan's remaining shot at being the Jet's coach is sunk because he has to go to the guy he most believes will help him win even if that is not happening.

    The locker room can begin to stabilize. With Sanchez gone there is no chance at all that you wind up with factions in the locker room who are frustrated because the Jets are losing games with Sanchez on the bench against factions in the locker room who don't want to see Sanchez on the field because they believe they'll lose games with Sanchez on the field.

    There's no money frustration in the locker room that centers around a guy making $8.75 (500K workout bonus) million dollars to do nothing while they play well for peanuts. Yes, the Jets will still have paid that $8.75 million dollars to Sanchez and yes, there will still be guys in the locker room playing well for peanuts, but the living embodiment of the injustices involved in those facts will not be in the locker room with them every day. It seems like a small deal but it's not. Human beings are understandably strange that way.

    Sanchez is not straining at the bit, sulking, being a good soldier or any other condition that he might be in while he does not play while a journeyman vet takes the snaps. There is no negativity from Sanchez that could possibly be felt in that locker room if he is not there.

    The fans as a whole are happier with the product on the field because no matter what happens they are not going to have to watch Mark Sanchez play QB for the NY Jets next season. It's not completely fair but man do the Jets need to move on at this point. Fireman Ed quit. FIREMAN ED QUIT! Time to move on.

    Con's

    The Jets will have to pay another QB peanuts to be the third QB on the roster. It's not more than peanuts because the Jets have to go get a reasonable vet to play for them next year anyway. That's happening unless they just hand the job to Sanchez, again. So the third QB can be just about anybody. Reasonable vet, McElroy, Sanchez or Reasonable vet, McElroy, third QB. Maybe 600K on the cap all considered.

    The Jets will lose out on whatever chance there is at this point that the last 4 years have been more about the organization than they have been about Sanchez. Guess what? The first year of the new regime is going to be hectic and chaotic with lots of players coming and going and a new offense installed, the third new offense in three years. In other words Sanchez will have no more stability next year than he has had the last two, and we know how that turns out.

    That's a pretty long list of Pro's for cutting Sanchez and a short list of Con's and it really doesn't come down to more than a million absolute tops on the cap to cut the cord a year early.

    Of course Sanchez could rework his deal in a big way to unscrew the Jets. Then maybe the equation is different.
     
  10. CowboysFan

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    Not if Rex was coaching the Texans....
     
  11. RobertTheJr

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    I think EVERYONE likes that.
     
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    I have a feeling that Eva Longoria knew about Mark Sanchez' propensity for the butt fumble long before the rest of us.

    [​IMG]

    :)
     
  13. ArmandJ

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    He probably fumbled on her butt a couple of times.
     
  14. The_Darksider

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    That's a pretty awesome picture of her.
     
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    My guess would be he missed the hole on the handoff up the middle..:lol:
     
  16. Br4d

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    Hate to dredge this thread up but starting another Sanchez thread was the worse alternative.

    Was looking at Matt Barkley and wondering about the northeast winter effect and I decided to look at Mark Sanchez numbers after Dec 1st in the regular season. Here's the ugly mess at this point:

    Att - 498, Comp - 272, Pct - 54.6%, Yards - 2823, YPA - 5.7, TD - 12, Int - 23.

    In other words Mark Sanchez has been a mess after December has started.
     
  17. deerow84

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    That's a lot of picks...do you have the numbers for fumbles as well? Might as well make ourselves even more depressed.

    Personally I think they shouldn't bother bringing in legitimate QB competition this year...just like Sanchez suck and then we'll be in a good position in the draft next year to take a QB (hopefully top five pick if not first overall). Cut Sanchez because it's better cap wise to do it after this upcoming season, sign a veteran QB to help mentor our new kid.

    Between this year and next year hopefully add some weapons on offense and beef up the Oline, hopefully Hill has a better year and Holmes restructures or we get rid of him and then the new QB comes in with a pretty solid group to work with.

    I dunno...maybe that's a pipedream. Knowing us we'll be mediocre again next year and finish out of the running of where we can get a legit QB or even worse we'll draft one this year.
     
  18. displacedfan

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    I pulled the stats for December/January games in known cold areas not in domes. Someone please double check if you have time, I might have missed some. Mine don't add up to yours and somehow I have more TDs. The BUF game in 2009 was in the Rogers Centre Dome not outside in BUF. Then this year I didn't include @ TEN or @JAX since both are considered warm weather areas.

    12/20/09 vs ATL: 18/ 32_ 56.3% 226 1 3
    01/03/10 vs CIN: 8/ 16_ 50.0% 63 0 0
    01/09/10 @ CIN: 12/ 15_ 80.0% 182 1 0
    12/06/10 @ NE: 17/ 33_ 51.5% 164 0 3
    12/12/10 vs MIA: 17/ 44_ 38.6% 216 0 1
    12/19/10 @ PIT: 19/ 29_ 65.5% 170 0 0
    12/26/10 @ CHI: 24/ 37_ 64.9% 269 1 1
    01/16/11 @ NE: 16/ 25_ 64.0% 194 3 0
    01/23/11 @ PIT: 20/ 33_ 60.6% 233 2 0
    12/04/11 @ WAS: 19/ 32_ 59.4% 165 1 0
    12/11/11 vs KAN: 13/ 21_ 61.9% 181 2 0
    12/18/11 @ PHI: 15/ 26_ 57.7% 150 2 2
    12/24/11 vs NYG: 30/ 59_ 50.8% 258 1 2
    12/02/12 vs ARZ: 10/ 21_ 47.6% 97 0 3
    12/30/12 @ BUF: 17/ 35_ 48.6% 205 0 1

    Total: 255/458, 55.68%, 184.88 yards/game, 14 TDs, 16 INTs.

    EDIT: saw you said you did regular season. I included playoffs also
     
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    That's mostly from the last 2 seasons where he had the terrible end to 2011 and the terrible overall 2012.

    It has nothing to do w/ weather. He's played 3 cold weather games in postseason and his #s from those games:

    48-73, 66%, 609 yds, 6 TDs, 0 INTs, 119 rating, led O to 23 PPG.
     
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