People aren't going to games as much because the economy is still recovering from the worst recession in 80 years. The Jets PSL woes extend not from an over-reaching on their part. They extend from terrible timing on the economy and from the simple fact that both NFL teams in the metro market tried to do the same thing at the same time.
if we didn't have PSLs we'd still be legitimately sold out every game and still have a HUGE wait list.
I disagree. Lower level endzone seats are not worth $125, even without the PSL. Tickets are at least 33% overpriced across the board
I think tickets were underpriced for years, even at $125 we'd have no problem selling EZ seats w/o PSLs.
PSL's kind of remove the "wait list" aspect of things. If somebody wants to buy season tickets now they go looking for a PSL for sale, right? Where's the room for "wait list" in that?
Nah usually U posts are right on but sorry to say this one missed the mark since the NYGs in the same economy sold out each & every PSL (which have since risen in value BTW) including the UD PSLs where as we could not even with the UD being PSL free :sad:
This another of Junc famous coulda, woulda, shoulda, The facts are we DO have PSLs & the FACTs are many of our PSLs are unsold & probably already there have been defaults by the PSL owner on there PSL :sad:
Yep. My cousins had 4 seats for 25+ years (sec 115, the last 15 or 20) that were their father's before he passed.... The PSLs were 10K a seat. He would've been locked in for 40 grand for the right to purchase seats that also tripled in price compared to 5 years ago...... that's alot of scratch to be locked in to buying more tickets, whether someone could afford it or not. Not to mention factor in he now has a young family (kids activities) the drive from Long Island now made even less sense........ I know he's not the only one. The classic JETS fan base has been weeded out of that stadium, and been replaced by golf clappers who don't really give a shit because they were given tickets through their job. Whether or not the stadium was ridiculously expensive, it's the cost of doing business for a 9 billion dollar a year corporation. The NFL's apparently ballsy and smart (we'll see) enough to pull on the heart strings of loyal suckers and corps looking for entertainment write offs to pick up their tab, but some backlash is obviously occurring. :shit:
This is true but nobody believes the Giants and the Jets are on the same level in terms of selling their product. It's not quite at the same level as the Yankees/Mets or Knicks/Nets but there's no question that the Giants were going to be able to do whatever they wanted with their PSL's and sell out. The Jets were already in an inferior sales position due to the Giants acquisition of Eli Manning in 2004. When the Giants actually put it together and won a Super Bowl in 2007 they wrote their own ticket for how the stadium opening sales would go. Really there was no question before that. The Jets weren't called JerseyB as a joke. They really were the second team in the market and had been since the early 80's. There was nothing that Woody Johnson and the Jets could do - short of winning a Super Bowl in 2008 - that was going to make the playing field for PSL sales level. Short of winning the Super Bowl next year there's really nothing they can do now to level the field over the short term either. They just have to deal with the reality that they are the second team in the market and that making a lot of loud noises won't change that unless those loud noises are the sound of horns blowing during a ticker tape parade. The fact that the economy tanked at exactly the same moment that both the Giants and Jets were trying to fill a brand new stadium was just very bad luck.
Call the Jets, they're calling us every day begging us not to cancel on the tickets,even asking us to buy more PSL's, so there are plenty available. We even got free parking for next season so we won't cancel.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried to obtain a deep & I mean deep discount on both the PSL & tix price from the NYJs but so far no movement from there side :sad:
I said if we didn't have PSLs. except the giants didn't sell out all their PSLs and still have not despite lower priced PSLs.
All of the new Stadiums built recently seemed to be totally shortsighted. Citifield being the least egregious... but the new Meadowlands and YS are both awful
The one thing he could've done was not giving up on a NY stadium as soon as the Westside stadium was shot down. If he would've fought for even Queens (or anywhere in the 5 boroughs) that opens up a whole new marketing / branding avenue (although one the NFL may not approve of... "NYC's team").
I will agree with U if U agree that we can not sell the PSLs caused we have been losers for 40 some odd year where as OTH the NYGs have been winners & have 4 SB wins to there credit while we got 1 & as Junc points out all the time it was not even called the SB then or at least that is what is in head. The economy is not a issue as it would have been the same issue for the NYGs. May be Woody erred in an attempt to keep up with the NYGs & should have found some other solution then going 50/50 with them on the stadium :sad:
We couldn't sell out the PSL's because we haven't won enough to make owning a Jets PSL and the resulting season tickets a status item. We had aggravating factors in the Giants also trying to sell a very pricey item alongside of us. We had aggravating factors in the economy going into the tank. We had a major aggravating factor in the 2007 season being a disaster while the Giants won the Super Bowl and then in 2008 being a much-hyped disappointment as well. The new model in professional sports is that the in-stadium experience is for wealthy families and unattached young urban men with disposable income and few responsibilities. That's kind of a harsh reality but it is a market driven one.
It seems pretty clear when the Jets underpriced their seats we had waiting lists. Now that they are overpriced we have unsold tickets. This isn't rocket science, it's basic economics.
No Jets fan east of the Hudson is all that happy about the Jets playing in New Jersey. I suspect no Giants fan east of the Hudson is all that happy about it either. The market dynamics seem to be that the Hudson River is more of an impediment to NJ fans going east than it is to NY fans going west. The Giants made this decision in the 70's and all NY football fans have been living with it since. See the #2 team in the market comment above.
