I am 25 and have been a loyal Jets supporter since I was 8, but if this team trades Darrelle Revis I may just call it quits with this franchise. This is a once in generation player and I will absolutely have had it with this team if they compound all the inexcusable mistakes of the past few years by trading the best defensive player in the game and perhaps, when all is said and done, the best corner in NFL history.
It's a myth that continuity in leadership positions lead to success, continuity is the by-product, not the cause of the success. The only reason people say this, is because successful coaches/GM aren't usually fired because they are successful / good. It's not the other way around like you and others try to say. Essentially It's not that they are successful because of the continuity - rather, they have continuity because they are good and successful. Look at the 49ers, they shuffled coaches like a damn Chinese firedrill for years before Harbaugh. Now they'll probably keep Harbaugh for a long time because he's a great coach. Somewhere down the line people will say - Look at the 49ers, a great organization that is successful because of continuity -- NO they are successful because of Harbaugh, not continuity which they didn't even give a damn about until they got greatness. Same could be said for the Saints (w/Payton), Pats (w/Belichick), Ravens (w/Newsome/Harbaugh) etc. etc. Conversely, look at the Chargers, they've been sticking with Norv Turner because they believe the myth that continuity wins Championships... Look where its gotten them..They have continuity, sure, but they continue to suck and underachieve year after year with great talent. I think the Bengals are heading down this road with Marvin Lewis, and I've seen this multiple times in the league - you can't force success by emphasizing continuity. Hell the Jets have even tried this with Joe Walton... The Pittsburgh Steelers have long been used as an example by believers in this myth, but in reality they've been fortunate to hire great coaches - Noll, Cowher, Tomlin, that has allowed them to have continuity. Cowher made the playoffs his first 6 seasons, including three trips to the AFCCG and once to the SB. That made it easier to keep him after a couple losing seasons (not nearly as bad as what were seeing in the 2012 Jets).. Tomlin was Coach of the Year his rookie season, won the SB the next year and has never finished with a losing season.. The "continuity" they've had has been easy with these great coaches. The key to successful ownership/leadership is not continuity, but rather recognizing when your organization needs or doesn't need a change. Right now with the fragmented locker room, the fact Rex lost the locker room 2 seasons running and the 4-10 record and counting dating back to last season - it's not a time for a minor shift - major change is needed. I dont think there's an organization in the league that would put up with their head coach losing the locker room more than once, at least not the successful organizations that you think of anyway- whether they believe in continuity or not. It's time for change. Rex and Tannenbaum both should go.
Sure, except there is nowhere near enough cap room to do that the jets will struggle to sign anyone new after resigning Landry and Keller. Nearly every team has enough talent if they add an elite WR, a borderline elite RB and elite Passrushers for less than 5M total.
Harbaugh has been to one championship game and you think he'll be in SF for a long time. Rex has been more successful than Harbaugh. You are totally wrong about Continuity especially in the context of football organizations. The organizations that suck are the ones the are jumping on and off the carousel anytime a coach has a down season. This is EXACTLY what teams that are successful Don't do. e.g. - Cowher had lousy seasons and the Steelers stayed with him. Continuity is part of every successful football organization. constant change and chaos are the marks of poor management, poor ownership and losing teams.
Have to say that both of you are right and wrong on this one. Yes, continuity is important to a degree. You can't change coaches every year. Results usually aren't instant in the NFL. It takes time for a coach to get his kind of players on the team and in leadership positions, and to get other players to buy into his philosophy. If there's a substantive change in schemes, that takes time as well as the players should improve in their execution over time. That said, Browning is right in that you don't keep coaches just because you want continuity or "stability". If you have a bad coach and continuity, you still have a bad coach. The stability isn't going to change that. Question is, how long should you give a coach to kind of prove his mettle ? What other factors come into play ? You have to look realistically at what kind of team the coach inherited, and did they become better, or worse, while under his watch. Were there signs of improvement ? Or is the team going backwards ? Even if going backwards, are those steps necessary in order for the team to go forwards in the right direction (a true "rebuild" mode) ?
I'm assuming that you watched the 2 AFC finals and 1 NFC final. Harbough's team, unlike Rex's team actually played a 60 minute football game like all out war. Rex's teams gave us a 30 minute show in both contests.
Cowher had down seasons in Pittsburgh, but nothing close to what were seeing with the Jets this season. Additionally, A) He WAS on the hot seat, and B) Cowher had many, many more years of success prior to those down years than Rex has had. He was proven. Constant change and Chaos are another by-product, just like continuity. Teams that suck have constant change and chaos, because they haven't found a good coach or a good GM, not vice versa. Once again I could go into multiple examples of this just as I did with the continuity myth. Look at the Patriots, they had decades of change and chaos until they found BB. Now they are the model of a consistent, continual franchise. - They became one because they finally hired an excellent coach, not because they were EVER strong believers in continuity. Since Marv Levy retired the Buffalo Bills have had constant change and chaos and been terrible. But they've been terrible because they've had terrible coaches and staffs - RESULTING in constant chaos and change, not vice versa. --Your argument is like sticking with your busted down, broken Chevy Cavalier because your neighbor got 300K miles on his Mercedes and its still going strong.... In reality, Your neighbor has been successful not so much because he stuck with his Mercedes, but because he has a freakin Mercedes and not a shitty Cavalier. He stuck with it, because it was easy to - and you'd be damn certain he woulda traded in your cavalier a loonnnng time ago!
Greg Bedard is a good reporter. He does his homework and actually analyzes film himself which not a lot of reporters do. He's not always right but his opinions are always reasonable and well thought out. I think getting someone good from the Baltimore staff isn't bad advice. They usually have very fruitful drafts. They even picked Haurbaugh over Ryan (Not that Ryan is a bad coach) because they saw Ryans negatives as well as the positives. I think they've done well with him.
The Jets should have stayed with Herm Edwards and fired Bradway. Something wasn't working with the pairing but it wasn't Herm that was at fault.
A competent Offensive Coordinator, a decent Pass Rush, and an Offensive Line that doesn't give up 3 or more sacks per game.
Are you seriously trying to compare Kotite to Rex Ryan??? :breakdance: How many AFC Championship Games did Richie Kotite take the Jets to???? last i checked richie's record w/NYJ was 4-28. Feel free to look it up. The fact is that the best organizations have continuity and don't fire HCs and GMs at the drop of a hat. If you play the Coaching Carousel game every 4 yrs your organization lacks continuity & cohesion and tends to consistently suck. don't believe me? just look at the raiders since 2002 - 7 different HCs in the last 10 seasons and they haven't had a winning record since 2002. the bills have had 5 different coaches since 2000 and they've had exactly 1 winning season. Continuity doesn't guarantee huge success (see Bengals & Lewis) , but organizations that lack continuity & cohesion definitely tend to suck alot more than organizations that retain HCs and GMs. Even great coaches can experience a few seasons of mediocrity - that doesn't mean you dump them.
Herm went 4-12 in 2005. In 2004 he infamously blew the Div. Playoff game v. Pitts. Herm has a losing record as a HC. He had a losing record in NY and in KC. Maybe he should have been given another chance in 2006. Seems like a decent guy, But I think its difficult to argue that Herm Edwards was a great HC.
Not happening. I don't know where you got that idea from but the reality is that Herm quit on the Jets. Not the other way around. (Remember where Leon Washington pick came from?) That said, Jets had woes in front office for decades now.
Kotite's record AFTER two seasons was 4-28. That shouldn't mean you can judge his potential records with Jets would have stayed that way - hence the continuity argument. Just who the hell are you to say Kotite's Jets would have continually sucked had he had stayed? How would you know?
Actually what happened is that Carl Peterson (Chefs owner) had a mancrush on Herm and asked for permission to speak w/Edwards. Edwards tried to use that as leverage for a contract extension/pay raise and Woody got pissed at such Edwards' ploy so he traded Herm to KC for the draft pick.
Maybe you need to learn how to read. I'm not saying that Kotite's Jets would have continually sucked. Obviously Mr. Hess thought Kotite needed to be fired after going 1-15 and so Mr. Hess fired Kotite and hired Bill Parcells who immediately improved the team to 9-7. I'll let you decide for yourself whether Bill Parcells was an improvement over Rich Kotite. I'm saying its absolute BS to compare Kotite who turned in 3-13 followed by 1-15 - to Rex Ryan who went to the AFC CG in back to back seasons. Ryan has been vastly more successful than Rich Kotite was.
How sad is this that just 2 years ago we finally became one of the better teams in the league, Now we are a discrace and we look stupider every week its hard to belive, Things were so good for us Jets fans those first two years now we have to deal with this pile of shit
