I get why season ticket holders hate Woody. Prices have gone through the roof with the PSL's being a huge part of that. I went through this with the Yankees in the late 90's when my Saturday plan just got too expensive to justify even though it was the only way I saw some of my childhood buddies. That was the end of me going to baseball games except in a blue moon. That wasn't Steinbrenner's fault though. That's just the way sports event pricing in the big markets was going. Small market owners who have affordable tickets available only have them for one reason: they can't sell tickets at a higher price in the market they are in. This is a "shoot the messenger" situation. There's nobody who would own the Jets right now who would charge less for season tickets. There's nobody who would not have PSL's. It's not Woody. It's professional sports marketing in the 21st century. So you can spend a lot of time being pissed off at Woody Johnson and the Jets for charging the same high prices that anybody else would in the same situation. OR You can be pissed off at Woody and the Jets for not putting a high-quality product on the field despite spending a lot of money trying to do that. One of those positions is completely logical and defensible, the other is hiding under a pile of coats in the corner.
No sorry U R totally incorrect the black cloud hanging over the NYJs is the fault of WJ, MT & RR in no particular order. You ought to get your NYJ priorities in proper order :sad:
Are you saying that one has to have 100% ownership to have a majority control? You do realize this is both illogical and factually incorrect, right? The poster to whom you are replying said that Hess gained control of the team in 1981. Okay, I don't know the years, but assuming Hess gained over 50% ownership in 1981 then this is true. You replied with an article stating that he bought out his last partner in 1984. But teams often have many owners in the minority or, in the case of the early Jets, had four owners I believe. This would likely equate to 25% per owner. So if Hess had only one other owner to buy out then he had 75% ownership of the team BEFORE 1984. 75% is control, end of story. Frankly, depending on number of owners, even a plurality of shares is enough to control an organization in most cases, but we will leave that aside here. So in this case I just don't see your point. I think you are simply not comprehending the difference the poster is making.... Buying out that last owner was just a formality really.
I see your point, but even if I accept this premise that Woody is just a--let's call him victim--a victim of 21st century sports marketing, don't you think that what he has done is still extreme? Even for our market size? He utterly screwed the most loyal fans. And I don't mean by making them pay a hefty price..,, this was a HUGE price by my standards (for friggin football tickets anyway). I mean, paying that kind of money just to have the right to pay more money is/was ridiculous. So while I understand where you are coming from, I just don't know if I can accept that the price of doing business today is to shove a spiked, red hot poker up the bum of every loyal fan. And it felt like he was doing that. Btw, I'm not a season ticket holder either and I could empathize. If I were actually a STH I'd have been way more angry.
I was going by what the article stated, I don't know the exact year he began making decisions. I do know he was a horrible owner for on field product. Sure we can add 3 more seasons to go back to 1981 and he'd also have 2 title game apps and 6 playoff apps but then his teams would have played SEVEN more seasons to do so and again in a MUCH weaker era for AFC football. No matter what way you slice the Jets under Woody have been MUCH better than the Jets under Hess. The jets haven't even had consecutive losing seasons under Woody yet. If the trend continues and we have a losing season this year it will be our first since 2007. we had 2 streaks under Leon- a 4 year streak(from '87-'90) and a 3 year streak(from '94-'96) and those streaks weren't broken w/ winning seasons but .500 seasons. From 1987-1996 we didn't have a single winning season. That's a decade of football w/o a winning season. there is no comparison btw the Jets under Woody vs. the Jets under Hess.
Dont worry Woody will get slapped in face when the commissioner goes to 2 preseason games instead of 4. I am hoping it happens for next year either way it will happen very soon!
No, I'm an idiot. Please explain? I didn't find any info that said he became majority owner in 1981, please post instead pf posting snarky remraks. even if it goes back to 1981 the success is still far below where we have been under Woody and it's not really debateable. we are 5th in playoff apps and playoff wins, that's average? Don't let a few seasons lost to Chad Pennington injuries fool you. We have ben one o the better AFC teams since day 1 under Woody no matter who the coach is. That's a good organization.
The ONLY way they go to 2 preseason games is if they go to the 18 game sched and I guarantee they raise season tickets b/c now you'll get 2 more reg season games!
He owns more than 51% Also think of the dolphins and the heat....I think j low and marc anthony are owners but they only own like 10% They will get 10% of profit or loss that the dolphins make but will not really have any say in what the organization does because they do not hold 51% of the ownership. Hope this helps
Honestly I was reading on NFL.com and ESPN.com that he didnt want to go to 18 games and was looking to cut 2 preseason and keep 16 games. If that is the case would be great for fans
Even based on the article you posted. He bought out the final piece in 1984 but had majority long before then. But here you go: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/14/sports/sports-business-for-hess-s-estate-it-s-a-jetscom.html On Day 1 Woody inherited a team that was built by Parcells during Hess' watch. I was someone who used to defend Woody against those who used to say he was cheap. But now I find him to be an owner who is getting involved with football decisions on the basis of the financial end rather than the competitive end. Don't get me wrong, I want the Jets to be a successful, profitable team, but I would rather it happen because of the success on the field rather than gimmicks and newspaper headlines.
that would be great for the fans, I'll believe it when I see it. It just says he bought Townsend martin's stake, it doesn't say anything about becoming majority owner in 1981 in that quote. day 1 Woody inherited a team w/ major cap problems and a team that Parcells TWICE, Groh and belichick all walked away from and Dom Capers declined to be considered for the HC job in 2001. BP was a HORRIBLE GM and we overcame that to have a very good decade.
Yes very true we will believe it when it happens but think about it for the STH every other year our only home preseason game is the giants......would be easy to get rid of or enjoyable to go to even at full price.
hxxp://articles.nydailynews.com/2000-01-12/sports/18133738_1_jet-sale-jets-playoff-leon-hess I can't post links so I had to do that
