It starts and ends with COACHING

So the guys that actually get on the field and play the game are nothing but pawns in a chess match? Coaching matters, but the players are the ones who score touchdowns.

 

It should be obvious to everyone that coaching and execution both play roles in success. The gameplan is nothing if it can't be executed. And execution will be poor if they are put in terrible spots. In the case of the Jets, it's not one thing that's the problem.... And at 3-5, they aren't finished just yet.

 

He does have a point though. The Players do matter, but our coaching leaves a lot to be desired this year.

We Crushed the Colts, who have beat the Phins this week, who crushed us badly in our last game before the bye. Losses like the Pats game or the texans, both games that were very close, happen. The last Dolphins game was a mess from start to finish.

We run on first down over 60% of the time and the majority of those between the tackles. Thats not idenity, its predictable play calling. When my dad who knows little about the game can call it from home and be right most of the time you know we are in trouble.

Tim Tebow entering a game is more of a distraction and more confusing to our offense not the defense. Thats coaching and gamplaning again. We had to wait for Bart scott to fall apart before giving Davis the job even though Scott's play did not warrent the snaps he was getting. That falls squarely on the staff. What is with the sticking with innefective vets so long?

Its not the wins or losses, but the big up and down swings that point to a disconnect in the staff. Are we a ground and pound team? Are we going to throw 40+ times a game? Were these questions supposed to go away with Shotty? Where did pressuring the B go in our defense? Where are the exotic blitz's that made Rex the coach he was? Did the loss of Revis really have that much impact?

We came within a Stephen Hill drop of being in first place in the AFC east to getting destroyed by the Phins in all phases of the game a week later. That can not all be on the players.

We have talent and injury issues. We have execution issues. Sadly we also have coaching issues still. I'm not for a complete change over, but Rex and Tony are not without blame in the collapse of last week.

 

I would say it is more the whole organization than strictly coaching.

 

It's a wheel. Talent acquisition - Coaching - Execution. When any spoke is not working the wheel slows down. When more than one fail the wheel stops. Right now all three are failing and so the Jets are failing.

I've been pretty outspoken about how 7 to 9 wins is where this team was going to wind up but they've lost 4 out of 5 now. I think with the Talent Acquisition process failed for the year that it's going to be really hard for Coaching and Execution to get to 7 wins.

 

I don't think we disagree upon more than what Mark is capable of.

It would never stay open, but I'd really love see one of the older posters with clout start a poll about how we feel about Sanchez.

1-5. 1 being benched immediately, and 5 being theoretically elite... Brees/Brady.

I'd put money on there being a range of less than five percent of each variable, except for from four to five. Understand? Basically a dead heat with the same number of posters thinking Sanchez should have a decade, and Sanchez should be chased out. And everything in between.

Somebody should do it. Somebody with clout. Just for the record.





Oh and my opinion on the thread. Its not the coaches, its not the players, its not the fans, its not Sanchez, and its not Tebow. Its not even Calvin fuckin Pace.

Its nothing. We have a mediocre team. Pretty much across the board, we have a mediocre QBs throwing the ball to mediocre receivers, while he's standing behind a mediocre line, faking to his mediocre running backs.

The only area I think we're think we have true talent that can be distinguished from other teams is our secondary... And a huge part of that left on a cart in week 3.

Were an 8-8 team on paper, and that's probably how we'll finish. Just gotta live with it.

 

Ok It starts and ends but ultimatly its all about player execution inside the means of the Gameplan its all rolled into one shit burrito

 

We're an 8-8 team on paper, and we're likely to finish 5-11. We're not finishing 8-8, no way. Sure, injuries played a part but the team has been maddeningly inconsistent for a couple of seasons now.

The original poster hit it on the head - the ups and downs, the inconsistency, the dumb penalties, the drops, bad playcalling, poor tackling, lack of discipline, coming out flat - that's a flat-out bad coaching, and it's lack of leadership from the players as well.

 

1. True. Jets coaching is sub-par. I cannot recall the last time when Jets coaching staff coached up 3rd or 4th round pick into a consistent contributor that stayed with the franchise for a long time.

2. On top of this, Jets defensive schemes have been all figured out by now - probably this is why Ryan stopped dialing up the exotic blitzes. Jets offense has been a staple of mediocrity. That's a poor coaching job no matter how you slice it.

3. That said, you cannot make a chicken salad out of chicken shit. The play callings on both offense and defense are both influenced by the limitations the players have. This is the root of all evils.

 

Agreed, and the lack of consistent play can be put on the players. The drops, the missed blocks, the poor tackling, etc. But the lack of execution isn't the biggest problem - the team constantly commits horrible penalties, they make terrible play calls all the time, they play undisciplined, they lack in class - and you can't say that morons beating their chests after a single good play is on the player. They're not all TO - a good coach who has the respect of his players doesn't allow that and subsequently the players don't do it.

There is absolutely NO fear for jobs on this team. They dropped the ball by letting Holmes do what he wanted last year and now the players know they can do whatever they want.

 

Poor Coaching+Poor scouting+Poor ownership+lack of depth= Your 2012 NY JETS

 

Poor everything, we're a poor excuse of a franchise

 

agree on coaching deficiencies, don't agree on the enigma part. That would indicate some mystery to the Jet situation, which i do not buy into. I think they are what we expected after last season and this off-season.

give me a break:
- they have done everything from taping a red, yellow, green codeband to his wrist to let him go no-huddle, to check downs all day. Mark will never be a good QB.
- RB has been drafted in abundance,
- Coples have had enough time on the field to make a difference, he just hasn't in the way top first round rookies have for other teams.

 

Some NFL players think... reference: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/11/rex_ryan_named_most_overated_c.html

Rex Ryan named most 'overrated' coach in NFL via player poll

In a poll of 103 NFL players, Rex Ryan was voted the most over-rated coach in the league.

Rex Ryan was named the most overrated coach in the NFL, according to a poll released Monday by The Sporting News.

Ryan had 35 votes out of the 103 players who participated in the poll, which was more than double the amount of the second-place vote-getter, Bill Belichick.

Here are the complete results:

Rex Ryan, Jets 35

Bill Belichick, Patriots 16

Andy Reid, Eagles 9

Mike Shanahan, Redskins 8

Mike Tomlin, Steelers 4

Jeff Fisher, Rams 3

Jim Harbaugh, 49ers 3

Norv Turner, Chargers 3

Pete Carroll, Seahawks 2

Jason Garrett, Cowboys 2

John Harbaugh, Ravens 2

According to one anonymous offensive player surveyed in the AFC, this is the reason Ryan came out on top: "Some of the things he does in front of the cameras are way over the top. You put that with the New York media and he has a pretty big reputation, I guess. I don't even know if you'd call him overrated anymore because it's gonna be a couple of years since he was in the AFC finals. He's pretty funny, and he's a pretty good coach. But not THAT good." ...(more)"

 

Nobody outside the Jets fan base thinks RR is any good and within the Jets fan base half of them also want RR gone so I do not see how he is overrated. He is overexposed by the media, not overrated.

 

that over-rated thing is such a crock of shit because he isnt particularly rated by anyone - if they wanted to say "highest profile" or "over exposed" or whatever then fine, but to call him overrated is ridiculous (as was the poll of the players).

Jim Harbaugh has done an incredible job with the Niners so anyone calling him overrated is a joke.

 

I agree that the Jets have deviated from what worked in the past but I would like to see you explain how Rex Ryan can make a D-tackle get a better push on any given play, or how he can make Hill run a better route or make Schilens catch a ball or make Scott and Harris and Thomas and Pace time their blitzes better or make more effective swim moves.

 

You are spot on. Rex has to go. He coaches through emotion and not discipline and his honeymoon is over. He is too soft to hold the players accountable in the long term. Herm part II.