So now Sanchez is better than Namath? Is that what you're saying? Wake me up when he manages to play better than Blaine Gabbert... -5 time AFL All-Star selection (1965, 1967, 1968, 1969) - Pro Bowl selection (1972) -3× First-team All-AFL selection (1967, 1968, 1969) -1x All-Pro selection (1972) -1× Second-team All-AFL (1966) -American Football League Champion (1968) -Super Bowl Champion (III) -AFL All-Time Team -2× AFL MVP (1968, 1969) -2× UPI AFL Player of the Year (1968, 1969)
Nope. Sanchez is better as far as turnovers and playoff wins go. Namath was more skilled, no question. He won a superbowl. He's still over rated though when you look at his overall career stats. He did have one amazing record breaking season, however, I don't see him as a top 20 QB (in history). He'd barely make the top 50.
Anybody think that Joe Namath was over rated best grab hold of their football that they like to toss around in the back yard on an autumn weekend with their kids, or friends....and count their lucky stars that there was such a guy in their lifetime that stood up and carried the game the way he did.....who in the fuck wouldnt want to be like him? He had it all!.....you youngsters can just shut it up as far as this oldtimer is concerned......He da man.....win me another superbowl, and i'll be quiet.......Fuck, i dont even need a guarenentee................Show me the ring..............And if Joe ever played healthy.....EVER played healthy......he's have the all the records.............GO FUCK YOURSELF NAMATH DOUBTERS
Simms was put in a situation where his talent was almost certain not to be appreciated. He was on a defensive team with a defensive-minded HC. He had arguably the greatest defensive player ever on the other side of the ball. Said player was also a lightening rod for attention off the field. The Giants were also a running team with an OL that wasn't great in pass protection and very average WR, so Simms wasn't put in a great position. The one time Parcells loosened his reigns and let him go for the entirety of an important game (Super Bowl vs Broncos), he was damn near perfect. I don't think Giants' fans every really appreciated Simms until after he retired and we were stuck in QB purgatory until Eli came along.
This is how screwed up Jet nation has become. We have ONE shining moment in our entire history. Within that shining moment is 1 player. Some of us, like your's truly, who weren't alive to witness it...would KILL to have seen what that player accomplished. So what do Jet fans do? Argue to no end that the player is overrated?! Support opposing fans only here to be bullies & stir the pot?! You people should be ASHAMED of yourselves. We should be telling these opposing fans to get lost & being happy that we at least have one lousy moment in history. Why are Jet fans so self defeating? It really is humiliating.
C'mon...give 'em a break. They can't spend all day hanging on Sanchez's nutsack. It's a bye week after all.
He may have been inconsistent for much of his career, but he was a true leader and had a couple of amazing seasons, including a Super Bowl victory. Over-rated? No. He helped change the game and was the leader of the brief shining moment in this organization's history.
You know for all the complaints about his interceptions, his interception % in every year from 1965-1969 was at or better than the AFL/NFL combined average save his second season which was worse than the average. his yards per game and yards per attempt were way above the combined average His completions % was lower than league average twice and above league average 3 times. The only real knock you can make against Namath was the low Touchdown % he had which was always at or below the league average. People forget that prior to the rule changes in the passing game the league int% average was over 5.2%. in fact prior to 1978 there had only been two seasons where the interception % was under 5, 1976 and 1934. Since 1979 there have been exactly 0 seasons over 4.6%. Bear in mind that 3 of Namaths first 5 seasons were under 5%. until the passing game rule changes in 1979 the league average completion % ranged below 52% in all but 5 seasons, 1979 and afer it's never been below 54%, and since 2007 it hasn't been below 60%. But despite playing in todays ultra pass happy league with low Interception numbers and high completion percentages the Mad bombers career average (including all the bad seasons after he broke his wrist and his knees went out on him) despite the fact that 4,000 yard seasons have become fairly common place, Joe Willie's career average of 7.4 yards per attempt is still better than any average NFL season...since 1964. Today's pass friendly league still only averages 7.1 an attempt. Is Joe the Greatest QB of all time? No, But he ranks up there with them. and of those playing between 1965 and 1969 there are only about 2 or 3 QB's I'd put ahead or equal to him, Johnny Unitas (who imho remains the best QB of all time) Len Dawson, and Bart Starr. But Namath was just electric. Of course on that last bit I'm biased, It was Namath and the Jets who turned me on to football, despite living in Iowa at the time.
You are bringing up points which have already been shot down. Stop being lazy & read through the whole thread.
It was a very different era which we know but that doesn't excuse 47 more INts tha TDs, an under .500 record as starting QB and only 2 postseason apps and 2 postseason wins. Joe was an elite talent but injuries robbed his career from being truly great. He's in the Hall more for what he meant off the field than for anything he did on the field. It's our curse that he couldn't remain healthy but injuries are part of the game and yo are judged on your results. He belongs in the Hall but not for on field performance and he's nowhere near the discussion for greatest QB of all time, great talent at QB? he's in the running for that.
Simms is very underrated and was very underappreciated by Giant fans who will appreciate him less for the way Eli won his 2 SBs.
nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winner Well deserved award... I'm just wondering why you didn't win 2009-2011.
Under 500 Quarterback, yes over his career he, but just barely at 62W-63L-4T...However, Prior to the 1970 injury, and let us not forget how bad the Jets team was after 1972 especially the 1975 and 76 teams that with Namath under center went a combined 4-17 Those two seasons are what drove Namath under 500 as a starting QB. from 1965-1969 with Namath under center as the starting QB, the Jets were 37-23-4. now I challenge you, look at the 1975 and 1976 roster, I was a fan of the team and I only remember a handful of the players , 1975 the only real players of note on defense was Burgess Owens and Richard Neal. On offense in 75 they did have Riggins and Caster, by 76 they only had caster and Barkem. By the mid 70's the Jets roster was in shambles, Namath was literally on his last legs, the defense was horrible and aside from Riggins in 74 and 75 they had no running game. Only 2 other times in his 13 year career was he more than 1 game under .500 as a QB. 1-4 in 1970 when he broke his wrist and 3-5 his rookie season. How many QB's who played 12 seasons can claim only 4 seasons where they were more then 1 game under .500. Give even the frail Namath in 1975-1976 a half decent team and he's over .500 for his career. Case in point, a clearly washed up Namath went 2-2 with the Rams in 1977. A team that from 73-78 never lost more than 4 games. And that was with a washed up and done Namath.
but under .500, right? whether by 1 game or 50 games he was under .500. we can narrow windows to make any player look better and I don't disagree w/ you about how good he was pre 70s but durability counts and unfortunately for him he wasn't durable. The team sucked, great players elevate those around him. In '75 & '76 the Jets were 4-17(19%) w/ Namath starting and 2-5(29%) w/o him. The win % went up w/o him. I don't know how many QBs who played 12 seasons had 4 seasons when they were more than 1 game under .500. '77 LA: 2-2 w/ Namath, 8-2 w/o him '73-'78 LA never lost more than 4 but they were on pace to lose 7 w/ Joe.
