There's been much discussion on here about the fan base's increasing level of impatience with Tanny. This isn't to say that he's been a terrible GM, but many of the team's flaws have been inked by his signature. So, maybe it's time to realistically entertain the idea of searching for a new GM. Personally, I'd like to see Rex remain the Jets HC because I think he possesses a great football mind, but just has some learning to do; and that learning will only come through experience. When a new GM is hired by a team, it seems logical for that GM to choose the organization's HC. But is it possible to hire a new GM, keep Tanny on board as a cap guru, and allow Rex to grow as a HC without any of this being forced? Maybe that possibility is Brian Billick. Billick and Rex have worked together in the past, so they already have history together. I'm not aware of Billick's money-skills as they pertain to player contracts, salary cap, etc, but we know that this is an area in which Tanny excels. Billick is very intelligent, has probably gained fresh perspective of the game as an analyst, and witnessed the best GM currently in the NFL (Ozzie Newsome) while he worked for him in Baltimore. It's safe to assume that Newsome's brilliance and knowledge of personnel rubbed off on Billick, and if nothing else, Billick was exposed firsthand to successful architecture. Of course, Billick (as GM) could also think that Rex isn't suited for the job and would want to bring in someone knew - his own guy - which would be natural. But of all GM candidates, Billick would be the most plausible person who'd retain Rex as HC. So, for the sake of discussion, what are peoples' thoughts about Billick as a potential GM for the Jets?
Not for nothing but I'm not even sure its time to jettison Tannenbaum. Everyone always wants an axe to fall when things aren't going well but really there's still 9 more games to go and this team, with the clear exception of the 49er game, seems to be much more competitive than it should be considering how badly they've been hit by injuries. This team isn't so far out in the twilight as to claim that Tannenbaum has totally ruined life for the Jets. So no... not buying Billick or anyone for that matter. And honestly, if the Jets DID decide they needed a new GM, I'd hope it's someone who can actually evaluate offensive talent.
Good idea and analysis. However, its most likely not going to happen. Bringing in a new GM from the outside will almost certainly put Rex on a short leash and personally, I don't want that. I know I sound like a broken record, but I want Rex to coach here as long as he wants to. He finally brought an identity to this team that it has lacked for decades and I don't want it to change now. Maybe reconsidering someone internally to take over as GM? If Clinkscales didn't go to the Faiders, he would have been a good consideration.
I'm fine with Rex I just hate his emphasis on offense His personnel doesn't fit his style but yet we continue to play that style For the ground pound style we need Big TE, powerful line, 2 power runners like the Patriots combo, big WR on the outside But we don't have that and it sucks I really hope we bring in a great football mind and start to get wiser with our contracts
Another idea might be to consider rehiring Mangini as some sort of talent evaluator -- maybe someone who replace Bradway. I wasn't fond of Mangini's coaching style, but we did Draft some excellent players while he was HC: Brick, Mangold, Harris, and Revis. I wonder if he's given the chance to fully devote his time to an area such as scouting, maybe that'd be his most successful niche.
1- Billick passed over Rex for DC twice before he gave him the job. 2- Billick took issue with the D players making comments that Rex was more of a leader and more important to team success in the mid 2000's than him. This is probably true, but cause some frost in their relationship. 3- Billick has absolutely no background in running a franchise.
No. That would be an idiotic move. Only idiots think that constantly firing coaches and GMs is the way to achieve success. Its a guaranteed way to not be successful. Mr. T has helped this team get to 2 AFCCG in 3 seasons. No need to change GMs.
Exactly. The lack of continuity has killed this franchise for long enough. New York fans have absolutely no patience and they are partly responsible for the ineptitude of the franchise when they're constantly calling for everybody's head. I've said this a thousand times already, but it almost happened with the Giants with Manning and Coughlin, but their luck swings in the opposite direction than the Jets.
If it wern't for Tanny Revis and Holmes, our two best players, would still be out there. Tanny should be fired yesterday.
A little harsh, but I agree completely. We don't need to start over. I've been amazed that we have remained competitive in spite of our injuries. Tanny and Rex deserve a lot of credit for that.
I'm not down on Tanny so much for this year, rather, more so in the bigger picture throughout his tenure here. Mistakes happen with every GM; that's to be expected. But it appears that Tanny repeats crucial mistakes that he should have learned to avoid and/or prevent over the years.
I've voiced support for the idea of bringing EM back in a front office role, but one thing that gives me pause is his 2009 draft in Cleveland. Here is a look at the 2009 Cleveland Browns draft class: •Round One (21)- Alex Mack C •Round Two (36)- Brian Robiskie WR •Round Two (50)- Mohamed Massaquoi WR •Round Two (52)- David Veikune LB •Round Four (104)- Kaiuka Maiava LB •Round Six (177)- Don Carey DB •Round Six (191)- Coye Francies DB •Round Seven (195)- James Davis RB I know Mack has turned out to be a stud, but Robiske has 39 career catches, Mohamed M. hardly a game breaker, Veikune is out of football and was a complete bust, KM is a JAG.... You guys get the idea. I know the draft is a crapshoot, but to see Mangini miss so badly with the 2009 draft does not give me confidence in him.
Agreed. His 2009 Cleveland Draft would be a good argument against the case for him as a head scout. And let's not forget his push for Gholston. But keep in mind that those examples occurred while he was HC. I'm wondering if he'd excel in the Scouting Department if it was his only job in which he could allot all of his time (versus dividing his time among numerous things like he had to when he was HC).
Mangini was also on board when Harris, Mangold, Revis, Ferguson, Keller (I know I am mising some) etc., were drafted. The Jets drafts were far more sucessful with the combination of Tannenbaum/Mangini then it has been thus far with Tannenbaum/Rex. As for Billick, with the amount of coaching changes last season and for him not to even get an interview says a lot. Obviously there is something lurking deep in the background.
I think there's a big false assumption here that because Rex & BB worked together in the past they would be a great fit to work together once more. Is it a guarantee that people look forward to their old boss following them to the new job? I'd say it's more likely the opposite. Also, sitting in the war room with Ozzie & talking with Ozzie doesn't mean BB is now GM material. Look @ the example of Polian (who half this board still keeps asking for). Polian has been a part of multiple SB contenders and has tried his best to transfer everything onto his son ... and failed miserably. If you're gonna hire somebody to manage your football operations then how about hiring somebody that's actually been involved with running football operations in the past? If you want to poach somebody from the Ravens then go after one of Ozzie's current assistants or some higher up in their scouting department. Why go after the ex-head coach? Another thing, Rex was passed over for DC multiple times & also HC from the Ravens franchise. You say you like Rex but want to go to the same environment which looked down on him & bring in Rex's new boss?
This idea is something I've been thinking about also. Whether he deserves credit or not, we can't deny the success of his Jets drafts. Drafts in Cleveland were not anything special but that Browns team was really starting to show some life towards the end when he was fired.
Constantly??? Tanny has been with the Jet organization for a long time now. And the GM for over six years. I don't see that as a short period of time. You also leave out that the roster is in obvious decline since 2010. THat's on Tanny. Get him out of here.
