2009 and 2010 we make the AFC Championship Game. Rex has top rated defense and running game in 09, top 3 defense and stout running game in 10. 2011 we miss the playoffs. Defense still top 5, Offense sputters. Sanchez looks the same as he did in my eyes. A good QB but not a franchise QB. A notch above Dilfer, notches below Brady and Rodgers. Rex is not a leader of men. The Harbaughs are leaders of men. There is a reason Baltimore went out of the organization to find their HC. Rex caught the league off guard with his exotic schemes. He's a defensive mastermind, I mean no head coach is perfect but Rex's ineptitude of understanding offense have hindered our team. The straight forward thinking on offense has killed anything Mark Sanchez can become. When your team says things like "ground and pound", "we're gonna run the football", "we're a run 1st team" and put no effort towards developing a QB you get the results you're getting now. A QB who looks the same he did in his 4th year as he did as a rookie. Developing a QB means 1. Teaching him how to read progressions and make quick decisions. 2. Drafting guys for him to grow with 3. Giving him the necessary things needed to succeed.- all things we have not taught Mark and Mark has yet to learn. Since we've drafted Mark here's the weapons we've gotten him in the draft Shonn Greene- below average Joe McKnight- unused Bilal Powell- above average, underused Stephen Hill- raw but talented Jeremy Kerley- good but operates in the same parts of the field as our #1 however we've lost Braylon Edwards- his favorite deep target Jericho Cotchery- old reliable While Rex has yet to address the biggest hole on the D our linebackers We've drafted for D Kyle Wilson Muhammad Wilkerson Quinton Coples Kenrick Ellis Demario Davis 3 linemen, a nickle corner and a unused LB with speed and cover skills. We've been blinded by the 2 ACFCG appearances. mark hasn't grown as a player, Rex has not grown as a leader of men and our draft picks are good but the 2 guys who should lead them seem to be not able to do so. To be technical I feel we've gotten worse every year. From the #1 D and #1 rushing O to this. Am I saying its time to start over, IDK Am I saying Rex and Sanchez need to go or we need to get better talent, IDK But what I do know is we need to re-visit exactly what it is we're trying to build, I think we lack blueprint from handling contracts, to drafting, to scheming. Everything we do is on a year to year basis and that is how you fail in this league. I see about 25 teams set up better than us for the future(next 5 years) and that my friends is a big problem.
Success that was handed on a silver platter, mind you. I still think it's Tannenbaum who should get the ax after this season, not Rex.
The Jets overachieved defensively for a couple of years until the league caught up with Ryan's crazy schemes. While we haven't seen what Coples can do yet, we're seeing a defense once again on a level playing field displaying holes in its talent base. As to Sanchez, can we name one thing the Jets have done well in trying to develop him?
Lets have this discussion at the end of the season. Seriously this is premature. Even at the end of this season it might be premature.
Examples? This is a pretty strong statement to make and not back up. How do you know he cannot lead? This is ignorant and simplistic. Many teams in the league take a run first approach; most, in fact. So you're claiming that having that approach means you're putting no effort into developing a QB? Use your head. #3 is nothing, like it's actually not even a point. There should be no #3. For #1 the same point I just made is applicable. You make a baseless claim that Sanchez is not being taught. Do the Jets only employe defensive coaches? Is there no OC or QB coach? There is, so that comment is nonsense. You probably think this is a good post, but I hope now you're seeing it's shit. Losing Cotch and Braylon is bad, but it's too early to tell regarding Powell. Having Kerley, who is a little like Holmes, is not an issue. I didn't know every WR on a roster has to be different from the other WRs. Again, no examples. And Mark has grown as a player. His performance has not noticeably increased because he is talent deficient but he is leading the offense. You see it in how he communicates with players, his pocket presence and the appearance of him actually being in charge of the offense for once. He does not play like a deer in the headlights, he plays like a guy who is comfortable. Take yesterday for example: when he saw Austin Howard taking his man high or getting pushed back, he moved around the pocket and made a throw. In the past he'd have looked for the check down ASAP. Yesterday he was finding the check down after going through his progressions or when he saw pressure coming with nowhere to go. On a few occasions he bought time in the pocket then made throws down the field. In the past he'd have never done this. To me this says the guy is understanding his receiver's routes, he has more confidence in the communication with them, and he is learning the nuances of pocket presence and finding ways to extend plays and give the offense a chance of every pass. Pretty sure that "Run the ball, play good defense" has been the mantra ever since Rex Ryan showed up. Probably the only good point in the whole post, but 25 is a bit high.
I think early success set the bar very high -- now if you don't live up to that previous success it is difficult. Sanchez is in year 4, has 4 road playoff wins, 2 afc championship games, solid 4th qtr comeback in his career - #'s similar to Eli Manning during the same time frame - yet he is treated like garbage. If Sanchez and the Jets had been 6-10, 8-8, 9-7 - the view of the team and Sanchez would be more of a team improving and developing around a young franchise QB, but they won early so now if Sanchez isn't perfect he is horrible!
I think its the lack of progress we're seeing that's driving the OP. The 2 AFCCG losses gave the fanbase and the franchise hope but somewhere along the way, we didn't build on that. Sanchez looks like a 4th year rookie QB and at times still making ill advised throws. The CS/FO didn't do him any favors by bringing in TT. The CS still looks lost on offense and the league has caught up with the overload blitz and other exotic schemes designed by Ryan. I also think that Ryan has lost a lot of the trust he built up when he first arrived as folks really don't take much of what he says seriously and this preseason's "hiding our true offense" effort hasn't exactly panned out the way they thought it would. Is it safe to say the clock is running on this version of the NYJ's? I think it is as I'm not sure this team has another AFCCG run in it with the present personnel. The talent just doesn't appear to be there on the field although it probably looks great on paper.
The Jets spent a ton of money on free agents from 2008 to 2010. They traded picks for more veteran plus players, often not realizing the context in which those players were plus or ignoring flashing red lights in the process (Jenkins, Edwards, and Holmes stand out here.) 2008 to 2010 was a money-fueled mirage. Woody Johnson put his wallet where his mouth was and we got 2 AFC championship games out of it. Well, we're living with the hangover of that process now. Almost all of the good free agents are gone. The few that are left are getting paid top dollar for middling performance and they're aging as that happens. People who criticize the plan from 2008 to 2010 are pretty clueless. That plan worked. The only thing the Jets did wrong was to try to do it with a young QB who didn't have his feet on the ground yet. The price they've paid for that is he still doesn't have his feet on the ground and the talent around him has evaporated, making it unlikely he'll ever get the landing gear down for the Jets.
Evaluating Mark objectively is difficult because he does have subpar offensive weapons. If any of you play fantasy football, you would be hard pressed to find a Jets starter on any fantasy team. That said, Mark has not shown any sign of a maturity curve. Elite QBs don't complete 50% or less of their passes. And they don't throw bonehead interceptions in the red zone. I think we're all looking for culpability here but the issue isn’t black and white. I would agree that Tannenbaum has had a lousy two years. Forbes cited the Jets for overpaying more than any other team. To some degree, that comes from Woody who would rather make the back pages than field a winning team. The whole Tebow circus was a Woody event. I think Woody wanted to be the next George Steinbrenner but he would up becoming the next P.T. Barnum. His adage seems to be “there’s a Jets fan born every day.” So, if the Jets were a stock, I would say "sell". Their QB appears to have little up side, their running attack lacks teeth (no one is afraid of Shonn Green in the open field), their receiving corps consist of Holmes and a bunch of 3rd stringers. And finally Rex appears to be a fantastic defensive coordinate who is in over his head. Maybe this team gets it together but without Revis, and any kind of offensive identify, it looks like a losing season. Which means in November, we'll spend our time identifying the top rated college QBs coming out for the 2013 draft.
Thank God we went 2-14 last year. Can you imagine what the expectation were if we went 9-7 and made the playoffs? 3 playoff appearances in a row and the jets are up to 4 non-losing consecutive season. I think this is a record. What happens if we make it 5 in a row this year. I think the the short memories are really getting to people. Let me help you all out.... 1987 - 6-9 1988 - 8-7--1 1989 - 4-12 1990 - 6-10 1991 - 8-8 1992 - 4-12 1993 - 8-8 1994 - 6-10 1995 - 3-13 1996 - 1-15 Now enjoy your 8-8 season with Ryan after a couple of AFCCG appearances. I'll take another 9-7 season with missed playoffs instead of going back to that 10 year stretch of dog shit. You people have been so spoiled by 2 deep playoff runs you have forgotten how bad it was.
Eli Manning completed less than 50% of his passes 15 times in his first 37 starts. His middle name was "boneheaded interception in the redzone". Ok, so now we get past the first 3 years with him. He had 4 games under 50% completion in 2007, the year the Giants won the Super Bowl. He threw 20 interceptions. In his own half of the field he threw 13 interceptions that year. His middle name was "Doh! Not again!" Then of course the Giants won the Super Bowl and everything was fine. BTW, Eli had a passer rating of 60.7 in his own half of the field that year. Every time he dropped back to pass with his own end zone behind him he was hurting the Giants on average that year.
I just read the OP's post. I agree on almost everything you said. Very good post. You're actually a fan who gets it which is rare on this board. A few comments to add: This team needs to start over on offense. Meaning we need a new: 1.) QB 2.) RB - we need a speed back. Greene is a good change of pace back in this league however he is not a featured RB in the NFL. His first year is proof of this. 3.) Big fast WR 4.) Right Tackle Mark Sanchez keeps getting worse. He has a problem reading defenses, can't get rid of the ball quickly enough and has happy feet in the pocket. He also double and triple pumps the ball on the easiest of throws (see quick 6 yard slant passes yesterday that he double and triple pumped on and missed). Rex Ryan and Sparano have no concept of Offense WHATSOEVER. The play calling is horrible. The execution is even worse. Jeremy Kerley is the only bright spot on that offense. He is explosive and a playmaker. They need to draft a taller bigger version of Kerley to go opposite of him. The problems on this offense are so fundamental that we almost need to start completely over or the problem will never get better. We can go 8-8 or 9-7 every year with a couple of fluke wins like yesterday but Sanchez and Rex Ryan will never give us a chance on offense to compete for any rings. PERIOD.
This post makes no sense. Please list the big money free agents that we had in 2009 and 2010 that got us to the AFCCG and we don't have now. Tomlinson is the only one I can think of. If anything, our 'talent' was probably viewed as less in 2009 and 2010 compared to 2011. I'd say 2011 was our worst moves by getting Burress and paying Holmes big money. I just don't get where you're coming from, so maybe examples would help me understand.
2008 - Alan Faneca, Calvin Pace, Damien Woody, Kris Jenkins, (Brett Favre was a bridge too far but obviously expensive as hell to sign), Tony Richardson, Thomas Jones carryover from 2007. 2009 - Bart Scott, Braylon Edwards, Lito Sheppard, Jim Leonhard 2010 - LaDainian Tomlinson, Antonio Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, Brodney Pool If you don't understand the basic level at which the Jets overloaded with veteran talent from 2008 to 2010 you haven't been thinking really hard about where the wins in 2009 and 2010 came from. The Jets tried to do the same thing last year but the talent just wasn't out there to be bought and they took too much time looking at Asomugha and scrambling the cap trying to get him for them to do much else effective when he went to the Eagles in the end.
I hope you're not comparing Sanchez to Eli??? Throw all of the stats out the window and watch the games. Mark Sanchez is a horrible QB. One of the worst starting QB's in the NFL. He has consistently gotten worse. He threw 2 awful INT's yesterday, one inside the 10 yard line which would have personally put this loss on him if Miami didn't blow the game. You can't make that throw if you're a rookie QB, let alone a 4th yr starter. Btw, you mentioned no weapons around him. More than half of the teams in the league would love to have the Jets O Line and Holmes, Keller and Hill. You keep pointing fingers at everybody except the real problem here which is their lack of a real QB.
