Schotty's impact still lingers on Sanchez or was it Mark all along?

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  1. Harrier Manc-Jet

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    His body language and attitude stinks Fucking sulking moaning prick like Cutler.

    We where beat till the D lifted the team with the turnovers at the start of the second half.
     
  2. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    We were beat until he went down the field and threw a TD pass. Then defense decides to turn what was a loss into win into a tie.
     
  3. Harrier Manc-Jet

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    No denying he made a few plays here and there,but until the second half turnovers lifted us we were buried. Sick of him walking on the field with his head down looking like the rest of us feel guy fucking looks like the weight of the world is on his shoulders.
     
  4. actofgod22

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    nothing frustrates me like a classic jets play: 3rd and 8, 5 yard pass on a come back.

    WHY
     
  5. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    This game wasn't even that bad. He is progressing and showing very postive signs, I seen Sanchez go through his read tree several times in order to find a guy to throw to. He is finally showing signs of being able to go through progressions and finding an open man.

    He is making some mistakes still and you want to see those disapear but he is making strides and he has shown many times that he is more than capable of being a strength on this team. It's just a matter of putting it all together, that goes for the rest of the offense as well because they sure haven't helped Sanchez out a lot through these first three game but we are still 2-1.

    Everyone needs to stop bitching and moaning and get behind this team, it's pathetic to be so critical without actually thinking about why things are playing out the way they are.

    Sanchez had his bad moments the last two games but the rest of this offense has displayed a lot more problems than Sanchez has as an individual. This is a team game and it's no where close to being just his fault for the offenses flaws.

    The positive for this offense is that they are showing signs of big play potential, it's no where close to last year with Schotty at the helm. We are actually getting big plays and throwing down field. We are also exploiting the defenses weaknesses, which is something that never fucking happened with Schotty.

    You guys need to calm down and realize that sometimes it takes a new scheme a little bit into the season to really click, we are far from being the worst offense in the league.
     
  6. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez has looked awful in the past two games.

    I'm not willing to put the whole thing on him, but if he can't complete more than 50% of his passes he shouldn't be on the field. Yeah the WRs are shit, but a completion rate under 50% is actually worse than tebow.

    Regardless of if it's Mark or it's the WRs if this keeps up the Jets should just put the Jesusback in and run it 70% of the time.
     
  7. Nilton

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    When they showed replays after Sanchez held onto the ball too long, no one was open. It's a collective effort of sucking by the WR's and Mark ala the missed downfield throws.
     
  8. mute

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    the Fins played the Jets like the Ravens played us last year. They pressed all of our WRs throughout the game which means they know the JETS WRs suck.

    This was also mentioned during the CBS broadcast. It is not SANCHEZ. It is the WRs who cant get open.
     
  9. Brunell's Debt

    Brunell's Debt New Member

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    The Jets receivers didn't do a good job and the offensive line let him take a few too many hits, but there's no excusing Sanchez's play for most of the day. He missed several easy throws, and that red zone interception was just completely inexcusable. If Sanchez plays like that against 75% of the teams in this league, then the Jets lose.

    I'd like to see Sparano mix in some hurry-up offense next week against the Niners. Sanchez seems to work best at a quick pace, and it would be nice to wear out their great linebackers a bit.
     
  10. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone consider it might be both? It's not like Mark doesn't miss throws, even with a good WR core he's been prone to inaccuracy. That said, it's not exactly the 2010 flight boys out there...
     
  11. mute

    mute Well-Known Member

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    of course people have. Sanchez did miss some throws. That is clear. But at the same time it was sad to see the Fins play us like the Ravens. The Jets WRs just cant get open and the league know this.
     
  12. displacedfan

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    Steelers did this too. That's why having Dustin Keller back will help. Also, what Hill will hopefully eventually do consistently. He threw around the Buffalo CB a couple times, have to see more of that. Press the receivers, hope your pass rush gets to the QB before the WR breaks coverage.
     
  13. johnny

    johnny Well-Known Member

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    Not saying that Sanchez is great, he did miss some throws out there today. However, the play calling / execution on Sanchez 's throw in the endzone was also flawed. Cumberland basically lead his guy into the area as Sanchez was trying to get the ball to Steven Hill.
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    It's year 4, Schotty is gone, Sanchez needs to play better. He looked dreadful today.

    The only positive was that he didn't go into a shell and give up. He stood tall and helped deliver an OT win despite playing like a dickhead for the majority of the game.
     
  15. BakerMaker

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    I figured an overreaction thread would occur.....anyhow here's my take:

    Sanchez had an average game. Certainly didn't try and lose us the game like some are preaching but was he off the charts great? No.

    1) Mark Sanchez should not be throwing 40+ times in a game. Very few QBs should be doing that in fact unless they are down by big in a game. I get OT might inflate the number a bit but this is where point 2 comes into play. I wanted Sanchez to throw it against Miami because they are vulnerable but as you'll see in point 2, when you don't have a running game that makes defenses honest.....than well its all the more harder as a QB to throw at defenses playing the pass.

    2) Get the kid a damn running game. Greene having under 3 YPR is unacceptable. Miami is a great run stuffing team BUT this has been usually what happens and it goes back to Greene's inability to get a burst when running. We need a fast, dymanic runner to compliment Greene or Powell, and not have our 2 top backs be bowling ball backs. Some of the blame goes on the O-Line, certainly but its very, very tough to expect a QB to dominate when the running game does absolutely nothing

    3) O-Line played mediocre IMO today. Odrick beat the O-Line too many times, Austin Howard got owned in at least 3 plays that resulted in Sanchez getting pressured, the Cumberland misthrow was clearly on the O-Line as Sanchez had zero time to make the accurate pass, let alone get the ball out(I don't know how he did it)

    4) ZERO separation from WR, big drops and clear miscommunication due to youth. Clyde Gates was to blame for pick no.1 IMHO, he ran a route that Sanchez did not expect him to(He had to cut back in front of the CB and not break off the route). Tebow didn't turn his head back soon enough to make the completion. Powell had a drop, no matter if the pass wasn't thrown greatly....that's a play someone like Tomlinson made last year. Hill had a few drops and in his hammy pull, blew what could have been a striding TD had he just stood healthy. Holmes had a few hiccups with the drops go, Cumberland at times looked lost in his route running.

    We didn't have a single receiver with 3 or more years of experience on that field outside of Holmes and Schillens who Gates for some reason saw time over until late in the game. I don't know why the Jets expect receivers to get route running and crisp play right off the go.....there's going to be growing pains.

    Keller would be a godsend for Sanchez IMO as long as Sparano utilizes him.

    5) The Wildcat mumbo jumbo....this won't change since Tebow is going to be be used but it HURTS Sanchez when you take a down away from him and when a play results in negative or no yardage. It again goes back into defenses now not respecting our running attack and just plays into setting up secondary players deep which in turn hurt our separation. What this comes down to is if you use the wildcat, you NEED to be creative. This garbage with the toss back to McKnight or a Tebow run fools nobody. Sparano needs to learn that when Schotty was too ignorant and simply could never adjust to this problem.

    6) Not in this game but more so in PIT game.....Time of Poss. matters. Part of the blame does go on the offense for not having longer drives BUT for the flack we give the offense for wearing our the defense, the defense inability to get 3 and outs or to get after the QB causes our offense to get cold on the sidelines and hence why its tough to build a rhythm out there constantly. The Jet D can't be lights out every single time but they cannot let teams constantly gouge them on the ground or make these 3rd and long completions. This Jet offense NEEDS time to build rhythm and continuity and when they cannot get on the field, it sure as hell does not help.

    Sanchez did miss quite a few throws, there's no denying it. However, take into account the seconds he has in the pocket......and the lack of separation his targets get to go along with drops and poor route running. Add a running game that gives you ZERO input and doesn't keep defenses honest and it altogether is very tough for Sanchez in his position to put up sexy numbers.
     
  16. Ted

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    Its year 4 and he still makes the same stupid mistakes when under pressure that he made as a rookie. A 10 yard sideline route that Marshal got burned on by Holmes doesnt change how badly he played at the. end of last year and in 2 of 3 games this year. If he was a rookie, no problem. What makes it worse is the guy you have trying to develop him is clueless on the QB position.
     
  17. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez is a young QB that's still learning the game, he's not elite and he should be given the opportunity to develop.

    Keep in mind that he's been placed in a "win now" situation from the start. He never got the chance to go through his growing pains. Every mistake is magnified because of the expectations of the team. Guys like Stafford, Freeman, Luck, Bradford, RG III, Tannehill etc aren't/weren't being asked to win a super bowl right away. So put that in perspective. The Jets should have had a veteran QB mentor Sanchez to make the transition smoother for him.
     
  18. BakerMaker

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    not sure if you were kidding or not but regardless he was on the verge of getting sacked by two men on the Cumberland throw. As Gannon said, that's a very difficult play to make. Yeah Jeff was wide open but Sanchez can't get place his feet correctly nor get a proper throw out because the O-Line did a piss poor job in protection on that play.

    Hill blew his hammy or hurt it hence why it was a "Missed throw". Hill continues his stride, there's a chance for his play there. Can't disagree with the two to Schillens but there were also instances where Holmes or Gates or Hill ran incorrect routes that hurt Sanchez. It works both ways.
     
  19. NJJ_Jersey_Jets

    NJJ_Jersey_Jets Well-Known Member

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    Always happens with him
     
  20. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    The overthrow to Hill was way out of bounds anyway. Even if his hammy doesnt hurt, he still catches that not in the field of play. Would like to see these so called "incorrect routes" you suggest as well. Gates may of not came back all the way but that was too dangerous of a throw to make in the first place. Its sad that in year 4, people are still making excuses for the most overpaid QB in football...
     

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