Yes, of course he was, but that doesn't fit the "it was all luck and lucky breaks" theme that the Tebow haters want to perpetuate, so they conveniently ignore that fact.
Dont be dumb. The Bears didn't even need a first down. Barber was trying to turn the corner and put himself in a terrible position. Once he realized he was close to the sidelines, he tried to cut upfield and was forced out by a Denver linebacker. It was extremely lucky.
Luck as it may be, he still had to capitalize on the mistake...which he did. 15-20 for 163 yards and a TD in the fourth quarter...If he doesn't do that then the "luck" wouldn't have mattered.
I give Tebow plenty of credit for making plays to help his team win last year, luck, D, running game, K, whatever Tebow still had to make plays. W/ that said you can't win like that consistently in this league. he is a weapon, he's just not an NFL QB.
The Bears couldn't kill the clock. The out of bounds play gave the Broncos 35 more seconds, and it would have been tight, but if Barber takes a knee or goes down in bounds short of the first, the Bears put it in Tebow's hands needing only a Prater field goal to tie. Is in any wonder they didn't want to do that, and would have preferred to pick up the firest down?
This is something that should be acknowledged -- Tebow capitalized on the lucky breaks that the Broncos got; he took advantage of opportunities and generated wins. With that being said, I think one of the main issues is that Tebots continue to rest on those lucky laurels, almost as if they expect Tebow, as a QB, to achieve the same (or more) success that he and the Broncos had last year. The type of success (i.e., winning multiple games under extraordinary circumstances, especially by way of great fortune) that Tebow and Denver had last year is not sustainable; it's not something that'll be repeated. However, the poor performances that Tebow displayed throughout most of those games are being repeated by him already in this year's Preseason. You can't expect to play as badly as Tebow has (both last year and this Preseason) and continue to win games.
Wish I had seen this before I just posted mine (because mine was a bit more long-winded; you said it more succinctly). Either way, I'm right there with you, Junc.
How about earlier , Thomas letting a bomb go through he hands that would have sealed the game never having to need Barber's fumble for the game to be won? You only look at " luck" when it furthers your hatred agenda for Tebow .
You can go back to look at '"if" and "should've-would've-could've" in just about any game every year. The bottom line is, certain plays have more weight - are more crucial - because of when they occur.
Add the overtime yardage , he had 191 passing yards in little under 8 minutes. And no one got luckier than the Bears when Thomas let a TD trough his hands earlier in he game that if caught would have sealed the game later ( Barber's fumble never would have been needed ) . The luck excuse goes both ways !
Give me a break. Thomas had the ball go through his hands, I saw it, the announcer saw it ,the stadium saw it a national tv audience saw it, the cameras recorded Tebow consoling him on the sidelines, in a super low scoring game where Tebow had 30 passing yards ( at the time ) a clean pass for a 60 yard TD BOMB was as big and crucial a play as any in that game , being a hater of course haters ignore it.
I'm not ignoring it. But plays that occur at the end of a game, when the outcome isn't yet determined, carry more weight than plays earlier in a game. If they didn't, then the word "clutch" would have a lot less meaning.
:rofl2: Tebow was 6/20 in the first 3 quarters. The Bears didn't have Cutler or Forte. Barber lost them the game in the 4th, and then fumbled the ball in overtime to seal the Broncos win. And lets not forget about the 59 yard field goal Prater nailed to send it to overtime, and the 51 yarder hit he to win the game. Or the defense, that held the Bears to 10 total points. Nah, it was all Tebow. I'll give Tebow a little credit though, it was his 2nd best game last year. He completed a cool 52.5% of his passes, and only turned the ball over twice.
How about the other games? If Chicago was the only game that the Broncos won with Tebow, I would tend to agree with you, but there are 8 other games they won with him as well...Lets discuss the "luck" in those games.
No need to discuss the luck in the other games. Our defense/ST won most of them. - Miami - Holding the Dolphins to 15 points despite Tebow not converting a 3rd down until there was 5 minutes left in the game. Converted an onside kick. - Oakland - Picked Carson Palmer 3 times. - KC #1 - Held the Chiefs to 10 points. - Jets - Held the Jets to 13 points. Pick-6'd Sanchez once and forced a fumble. - San Diego - Held the Chargers to 13 points. This was also the Matt Prater show with Prater going 3/3. - Chicago - Held the Bears to 10 points. Forced a fumble in OT to win the game. Another Matt Prater show going 2/2 from over 50 yards. - KC #2 - Held the Chiefs to 7 points. The D was amazing. I added this one for comedic value. We held the Chiefs to 7 points and Tebow still lost us the game. Thanks for playing.
Yes, but that was the point of my my and Junc's earlier posts about how the success within Tebow's ineptitude as a QB isn't sustainable; as a QB, you can't win consistently in the NFL if you play as badly as Tebow. Even last year, this became evident. The Broncos went on a winning streak, then a losing streak, then they won a Playoff game, and then they got waxed embarrassingly in the ensuing Playoff game.
You guys are describing most nfl games , it's hilarious to see you jump through hoops to explain away any success !
