First off this team went 8-8 last year. Not the end of the world. Second for everybody that complains give me 8 teams on our schedule that you can say that they are obviously better. You can't. My point is even with the weaknesses this team has there are still solid enough to get to the playoffs with the schedule they have. The two moves that were the worst Tanny has made were having Pace and Scott take pay cuts last year and guaranteeing their salaries this year. These two moves limited what the Jets could do this year and I don't think that Pace and Scott are significant players anymore. I don't think either guy needs to be here for the Jets to be sucessful. For the complaints over depth, which team has depth and a ton of pro bowlers? Unless you are hitting it out of the park every year in the draft there will always be some need. For the people that complain, go back and tell me all the moves that were bad and then show me which move you would have done that would have gotten the Jets to a Superbowl or would make the Jets a lot better this year. Right now the key for the Jets is making sure their draft picks develop. If this year's draft class can contribute right away then the Jets can really take a big step forward. Hill, Coples, and Davis all play positions which the Jets need production from.
All teams go through a period where they are built to win now! The Jets were built to win , but some of their players are 3 years older and just at the point of being bodies rather then role or key players. Another reason Is money tied up in some very large contracts ; Some deservingly other were over paid! The Tannenbaum Culture is Play for Vet min or we'll just cut you and pick up someone else who will be glad to play for pennies.
There were plenty of good free agent WRs this year. Plenty of 'em. A good WR, just one, would really help Sanchez and Tebow be successful
Disagreed, that's a luxury we can't afford. It's on the OL. Establishing a run game and time in the pocket would really help Sanchez and Tebow be successful.
The way I'm hoping Tannenbaum sees it is that he's burnt draft picks to get key players at certain positions, and hopefully now that the cornerstones are in place build up the depth behind them in the draft. Hard to say though until we see how next year's draft plays out. If they're holding on to draft picks and working through the draft then things are looking pretty good.
Please name names. Every guy I can think of that has been suggested was either on the downside of their career (another one-year veteran stopgap) or would have commanded a very large salary. Who exactly do you wish they brought in and why do people seem to ignore the fact that we used a 2nd and a 7th on WRs and signed another through FA?
you can also add the owner is more interested in press and selling psl's than winning and the head coach is a buffoon...
Calm down. We aren't thin at receiver. We have 2 injuries. Holmes, & Kerley. We currently have Turner, Jordan White, Steven Hill, Chaz Schillens, AND Cromartie just in case. We're fine. We know both of them should be back before game 1. We're really not in as bad shape and people are speculating. Jordan White has looked pretty decent lately. I'm just worried about Kerley not getting reps. Plus I keep hearing good things about Austin Howard and Vlad Ducasse. People complaining about the line not being addressed need to can it, because the line was addressed prior to this year when Vlad was drafted.
I'd like to take a step back and address a couple of items, that I keep seeing pop up in various threads, before I tackle the original question posted by the T.O. Last year's 8-8 season. I personally feel that the lack of a real off season and training camp severely hindered the Jets. Like a few other teams in the league, the Jets are a team in the truest sense of the word. They reached the AFCCG those 2 times as a team. The Patriots are an example of a team who relies on a couple of top tier players. But...when put against a unit such as the Giants, much like the Jets, who are a superior TEAM (I mean the Giants) you see what happens. Right now the Giants primary edge over the Jets is a more seasoned QB and a top tier pass rusher. I think a full training camp produces far different results this year for the Jets...jmho. Pre-season...if I read one more ludicrous and idiotic comment about this past pre-season game I'm going to pull my face off. ALL the first game of pre-season is for is to work off the rust of the vets, get the young guys some snaps and get the hell out of there with no real injuries. End o' story. I think if you called up Marvin Lewis he'd have MUCH rather lost that game than his THREE STARTERS in the first 10 minutes of the game. If you watched the same game as I did and didn't come away with how Sanchez was FAR more commanding and confident than he has been in all three years previous then give it up...you've revoked your arm chair QB status. That was not the same man I saw the previous years. Pocket presence/awareness and in and out of the huddle crisply, cleanly with solid execution. That's all I can ask for in the first pre-season game. If you did NOT see how Tebow can help then that's it...give up your football card period. He's a god damn heisman trophy winning running QB that the Jets intend to use as a RUNNER. Holy Cow, stop the presses and call NASA. A backup QB that, arguably, has about the same build of Ricky Williams and will run the Wild Cat...oooooo controversy there. All I can say about our front office as far as this is concerned is thank GOD they aren't as ridiculously emotional and irrational as some of the fans on this board. Now, to the T.O.'s question: NJGREEN...we have as much depth as the next team. Every team has depth issues. They simply have, either the same as the Jets, or in different places. As an example...to bring Tebow up again...I'll take him over what the Pats have. Unconventional or not the man lead his team to the playoffs and won a playoff game. I'll take that for a game or two if Sanchez gets hurt. If you asked Patriots fans I'll bet they are scared shitless about nothing behind Brady. Obviously they see something in the guys they have on the o-line to instill some kind of confidence. I find it hilarious that some fans on this site sit around and act like our FO just woke up and said "boy our guys, on the o-line, suck...we are not going to replace them and get our QB's killed. Yeah...we're going to win a lot of games this year." Dumb asses... They get paid millions of dollars because they are stupid and the arm chair QB's here are 2nd cousins of Lombard. A couple other posters summed up the WR position pretty well. We drafted BPA in the 2nd round for WR and we'll see how he works out. The FA pool was way over priced and/or on their last leg. I think if you look at Pittsburgh you'll see a prime example of not over paying. For those yammering on about Holmes not being a #1 they are full of crap. Outside of a couple of teams like Detroit, Houston, Arizona and possibly Atlanta I'd stack Holmes, minus his big mouth, against the rest of the leagues #1's. And honestly...much like the RB position, the league is, further, going to multiple receivers and spreading the ball. NE has no premier WR. And...I'd argue that Keller could put up really decent numbers in this offense. Maybe not Gronk numbers...but good numbers. Look at Fasano in Miami...I mean...that guy is a 2nd tier TE all day long. Just a little clarity from a clear mind. No, the Jets aren't broke...and no, they do not simply sit around and feel as if 8-8 was a good year. No, they do not put guys on the field that they feel can not make a difference or perform. We are no more "broken" than 90% of the teams in the NFL. Teams like the Patriots, Packers and to some extent the Broncos now are fortunate enough to have landed an ELITE QB...which can make ALL the difference. But, as you have seen over the last number of years...the Elite QB is not winning the dance without the team to support it. The Packers had a decent defense the year that got them back to the show. Manning had the same... That's why the Patriots haven't won in a while...they are missing the complete team. Rest easy my man...more has been fixed than you are going to see in a single pre-season game...let alone the FIRST pre-season game.
And yet you and/or these 'others' will still flip out like ninjas if they play like a .500 team, as though it's the last thing you expected.
because those teams have top tier QBs, we dont - that is by far and away the biggest reason that there are issues with our team - a good QB masks pretty much all of your issues - just look at Indy before Peyton went down and then what happened when he did. edit: also the lack of quality back-ups is due to a lack of quality personnel that are available. aside from Eric Winston there were no good FA tackles this year the same way that there were no top tier safeties.
The only really good WR was vincent jackson but he went for big money. I would have liked us to have looked at Manningham but I agree there was very little available.
Yes Tannenbaum is so incompetent that we've had exactly one losing season under him in the six years that he's been here. Who'd like Bradway back?
+1 - Tannenbaum has been BY FAR the best GM the Jets have had in a loooong time. Not perfect, and certainly not every move has worked out great, but overall Tannenbaum has been excellent and the result on the field have bee very good . Last season was dismal, but its one season and the team addressed numerous areas of improvement in the past 2 seasons. Noteably we have the makings of what looks to be a dominant young DL on the rise. The jury is still out, but it loks to me as if this DL is on track to be vastly improved. Tannenbaum went out and stole Maybin who is looking lke he will become an impact player for this D. I don't see the doom & gloom crowd bitching about that. Yes we don't have Willie Roaf at RT, but there is NO team in the NFL that has a superstar and depth at every single position- so whining about the fact that the team has certain weaknesses w/o remembering that we have tons of strengths as well is just plain silly and demonstrates a lack of basic knowledge as to the reality of the NFL.
Okay so we addressed safety. Great, the defense was already good. The offense is what killed us and all we really got was a backup QB who can't throw the ball. Everyone is saying Hill is the savior. He's a rookie WR out of a triple option offense. Rookie WR's usually struggle as it is, the odds aren't great for him to succeed this year depsite all the tools he has. We don't even have a blocking TE, they can get picked up for nothing. The o-line did not get improved, although there weren't many options so I can understand. Did I back my statement up enough? And you STILL haven't answered my question. You keep saying how much more knowledgeable you are than me, well Almighty tell me, what makes this the team that's gonna make the Super Bowl? And when did I write the season off? All my comments have been about the moves made by the front office. 8-8 can make the playoffs sometimes. And what if I don't see this team as a playoff team? It has nothing to do with one preseason game like all the experts keep saying. It's because of what I saw last season and what I've seen in the offseason. I would love to see this team do good but I'm being realistic with my expectations.
That's quite the assumption to make since you don't know me. I will say I told you so if that's what happens. I don't expect this team to make the playoffs so i will "flip out like ninjas" if they do.
