Go easy there Thundercat, you are making some sweeping generalizations and are wrong about some things. First major problem is that there is an actual difference between Spread offenses and Spread Option offenses. They are very smililar, but they are sort of like cousins. Brees and company aren't trying to emulate an "NFL version" of the Spread Option, rather, they are simply running a Spread Offense. Secondly, Brady and Brees still spend quite a bit of time under center, but that doesn't mean that they aren't running spread systems.
I'm a thread-skimmer, so can somebody help me out with what this guy is talking about? What was the anonymous complaint?
Actually you should go back and do your research. Brady is NOT running the spread offense. In fact both the Florida Gators offense which Tebow ran AND the New England Patriots offense are practically sister offenses with the same men influencing both. Spread offense is a very different beast, and Brady stopped running somewhere around 2007. They are IN fact running an "artificial spread option". Then the Saints did it. Then Green Bay did it. And now everyone wants to do it. But after Newton and Tebow showed the REAL spread option can be achieved, now teams are gearing even more towards the real dual threat spread option. Spread offense... spread option... In a spread option...you really don't actually need to be very spread at all, and no need for 4-5 WR on the field at all times. TEs and running backs work just fine. And this is what everyone's doing nowadays. That's why Brady. Brees Rodgers have 2500+ yards after catch every season. They are NOT playing "traditional" NFL QB. Peyton might be the last guy to do "traditional NFL QB" this year. We'll see.
Josh McDaniels is back in NE as OC...They are going back to the spread. McDaniels is the guy who drafted Tebow because the offense Tebow ran at UF and the one McDaniels runs are one in the same scheme-wise.
He can throw the short pass..the problem is he cant pull himself away from one receiver. He very seldom makes a read progression and like someone else posted he is seeing recievers that are open but is interpreting them as covered because he is afraid to make a mistake or is unable to release the ball in a timely manner while the reciever is uncovered. NFL football is so much faster than college it makes great college players look like crap, some for just a little while, others never get over the difference and some others own it from day one, of course that doesnt happen very often.
I'm going to reserve my judgment of Tebow until he's in a true spread option offense that really takes advantage of his strengths. Last year I saw something Fox and his OC patched together after admittedly watching college games last year during the season then having Tebow run it the next week, having little experience with it before hand. But I saw it work very well in Carolina with Newton when the offense was entirely designed around him and not afraid to go all out. And I have no idea what in the world the Jets are about to do but personally I'm skeptical cause not only will they not really take advantage of Tebow completely but also hurt Sanchez. Tebow will suck trying to be a traditional NFL QB cause its not his strong point and seeing him running so many traditional plays compared to spread option plays in practice is disappointing. And Sanchez will likely suffer due to the snaps being taken away to implement select Wildcat plays. Tebow runs the option QB. If you are not going to commit to that type of offense then part ways. So far what they showed with Tebow in camp has been as uninspiring as what I saw from Fox last year. I hope it's just a smokescreen.
All I can say is wow. Simple question about him grasping the offense with reports of him not passing very well and holding the ball too long. Was thinking why because everyone started at the same time, if I remember correctly Tim said he was going to go through his senior bowl playbook from TS.
No, they aren't running "artificial spread options" and it's very silly to even claim that they are. The Spread Option is a ground based rushing attack that uses Spread formations to stretch the defense and open up running lanes. Go back and look at Meyers play mix and you will see that it has always been ground heavy, i.e. a 55/45 or even a 60/40 run to pass ratio. Teams like the Pats and the Saints are the exact opposite. Yes, they use short passes to gain yards as opposed to rushing the ball, but that's a distinct philosophical difference. Now, if you want to continue to get all stupid about it, Meyer's looked to coaches like John L Smith, and his OC, Scott Linehan at Louisville and and learned the basics of the SPREAD OFFENSE from them. His particular genius is that he went down his own path and decided to incorporate the Option in with it. here is is from a Sports Illustrated article, back before Tebow had even played: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1104253/2/index.htm
Dude, I'm not saying that the Pats or the Saints are running "Traditional NFL offenses" What I'm saying is that there is a difference between the Spread offense and the Spread Option. It's a difference in philosophy and it's silly for you to sit here and try to claim that they are running an "artificial spread option".
So, to the OP's point. I think Tebow is struggling because he isn't familiar with the players, and isn't familiar with the plays. (I tried to resist this urge but can't, forgive me) UF's passing attack had 4 main route concepts, floods, crossers, posts, and flys. Each had a designed read. (and designed to give a run option on any pass, if the defense covers this, it will be open to run here) Simply put, if this guys not open, this one will be, else run. NFL passing attacks use 8-12 passing concepts. He's having issues with the ones that aren't those mentioned above. NFL passing attacks also don't use decoy routes with the frequency college attacks do. Sure UF could spread it 4-5 wide, there would be 2-3 decoy receivers shortening the reads. (He's always held onto the ball too long, florida faithful would gladly concede this) That he can't read defense is hogwash, other wise he wouldn't be the outstanding option QB that he is. Can he be confused by what he see's and still be able to read defenses? Yes, this is called being a young QB. This is a primary reason I believe he excelled in the 4th quarter, he knew what he was seeing because he'd seen it all game and figured it out.( and has been pointed out he'll scramble for 8-10 yards at a time if you try to use 2 high safeties)
Exactly, hence my belief he will never be the QB many hope he can be. I don't see anyone going in whole hog for a couple of reasons; the first being you have to have 3 QB set to run the same system because I feel injuries will incur at a significant rate and having 3 tebows aint likely going to happen. The second you have to retool an entire offense to work around a system that depends on being superior at almost every position which doesnt happen in the NFL. An third, defenses will adjust quickly to the offense and mitigate its effectiveness within a season or two. Spread works in college because one team often is superior to the other team, meaning those key positions are going to be filled with talented individuals going against less talented individuals and thus a higher success rate will occur.
^^ This is totally contrary to why college teams started using the spread. They used it to isolate their 1 good player and get him the ball in space. Not because the whole team had to be good.
Conceded. He plays exactly like a man who (1) isn't afraid if getting hit; and (2) thinks he can pick up 5 yards, every play, if he doesn't see a sure bet. He's having to retrain his entire habit.
Actually, I think it had more to do with Denver throwing the game plan out and going with spread looks out of the shotgun. The kind of dictates the defensive coverages that teams can use.
Started, then they relaized quickly that if I have 5 superior athletes on offense lets get them into one-on-one as often as possible and create space to work in. Isnt that the point of the spread?
Potzer's right. College and high schools switched to Spread and Spread Option systems in order to compete against the bigger and better programs out there. It's why Utah was able to kick a lot of ass, as did Bowling Green.
Your previous statement predicated that the team running the Spread HAD to have more talented players than the other team. That's just incorrect. Obviously, if you run the Spread AND you have more talented players to start with, that's even better
