Brady creates YAC by leading his recievers to the open space because he can deliver a ball pretty much anywhere he wants to most of the time.
Dude, you really don't understand the Urban Meyer offense that they ran at Florida, do you ?? Tebow made reads on every single play that they ran.
If thats the case why is his inability to adjust on sight such a big problem and mentioned in plenty of his scouting reports? Interestingly enough another crappy QB Alex Smith, was a first round pick out of an Urban run offensive scheme and he had the same issues...6 years down the road. Urban meyer WINS college FB games, he makes shitty as hell NFL QB's.
Yeah, and I love the argument that Tebow was only an elite passer in college because of his receivers, but if you look at any elite QB, they have elite WRs and TEs. Yep... Welker sucks, so do Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez... Megatron and Pettigrew suck Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, Donald Driver, and Jordy Nelson are terrible Sproles sucks, and so do Colston and Jimmy Graham (not to mention L. Moore and R. Meachem...) Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark sucked too... Unbelievable
There's a BIG difference between check downs and screens. Check downs are when you look for the long ball, when it's not there, throw to the short option (often the RB/HB). A screen is a designed play where the line lets the rush through to set up a block to the screen man the balls designed to go to. Yes, Tim didn't check down NEARLY enough, but McCoy almost NEVER called designed screens which are nothing more than an easy completion for the QB.
It's a different system and the types of reads you make, whom you key on was different. But, that doesn't mean that he didn't make reads. he actually had to make a number of "reads" on every play.
lol. I've argued you with you before, but you have reached an entire new level of ignorance. Tebow threw for LOTS of short passes? Really? Come on now...:sad: Aaron Rodgers, Brady and Brees would not look so hot if you took away they're short dink and dunk passes and YAC. Tebow was one of the top deep ball throwers last year. If anything the #1 reason his completion% is so low, is due to the fact he runs the option rather than completing short dink and dunks. The other being him throwing the ball away. But even overlooking that, why would anyone even want Tebow to do what those guys do is beyond me. The fact guys like Brady have so many passing attempts and short yards completion is because they CAN'T run the college option in the first place. Instead of the option runs they design short passing plays. When you have Tebow, you kind of don't need an "artificial" spread option. You have the real thing at the NFL level. And as far as I know, only 3 guys can really run it right now. Vick, Newton and Tebow. And Vick has gotten more and more away from that. You can make a case for RG3 and Luck but they have yet to play yet so we'll see how successful they are.
They're also very early on in their careers. Would they have been better last year with Manning throwing to them? Yes. Would they have been better with Manning throwing to them the next year as well? Yes. Would the Broncos passing game have been better than it was last year if Tebow had stayed and had an entire off-season, TC and regular season to work with his receivers? Yes.
So the reason NFL QBs throw short passes is because NFL QBs play like NFL QBs and you can't figure out why an NFL QB should play like an NFL QB.
To summarize the thread: somebody made an anonymous complaint that Tebow isn't learning the system and Tebots rushed in to talk about how great Tebow was in college. Sounds about right.
Exactly.... People forget that the way offenses have changed, completion % has skyrocketed. Back in the days of gunslingers like Marino, Elway, Montana, etc. a 60% completion rate was phenomenal...Now its pretty much the norm. But why the change?...The main reason for this is the short passing game is now taking the place of the running game. Rather than running for 4 yards, teams are throwing more short throws, which are easy high % passes that inflate the completion %. It really evens out at the end. Tebow picks up on the ground what most QB's are picking up with the short dump-offs...All the while he's throwing the ball deep just like they used to do back in the day. I just get tired of this completion % thing...there is no correlation with that and winning. All those short throws are is just an evolution of the running game.
Uhm.... just going off of ESPN team YAC numbers... http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots Aaron Rodgers 4643 - 2337 YAC = 2306 yards Drew Brees(NFL single season record) 5476 yards - 2433 YAC = 3043 yards Tom Brady 5235 - 2642 YAC = 2593 yards A. Rodgers - 144 yards per game Drew Brees - 190 yards per game Tom Brady - 162 yards per game You really have NO idea what you are talking about do you? ANY QB that could average 184 AIR yards per game would be in the top 3 in the NFL. Hate to burst your bubble there, but all those fancy yards these QBs are getting, aren't coming from their arm. As much as 50% is from their receiver's slegs. Not that it matters anyway. Yards are pretty pointless compared to TD-to-Int % which Tebow is in the top tier of the NFL.
Not sure about now, but last year, it wasn't a problem of accuracy, but one of consistency. There is a huge difference between the two.
It's kinda funny...I remember coming out of college everyone said Tebow got all his passing yards on bubble screens and short passes... Now they say he can't throw the short passes and can only throw it deep. The Anti-Tebow crowd just change the criteria to fit their narrative...All the way to the point of discrediting YAC yards, as if Tebow is the only QB to benefit from that.
I brought college up when Mets questioned if Tebow was smart enough to get a grasp of the offense. I pointed out that the offense at Florida was actually pretty complex.
No its because NFL QBs are being asked to run offense designed to simulate the college spread option and guys like Brady or Brees couldn't actually run the college spread option. They're too slow, too weak and too fragile to do it. Neither one of these guys are playing like an "NFL QB" as the term used to be defined. None of these guys are spending their times under center anymore. They are all 24/7 in some sort of shotgun formation. The term is an old cliche that has been applied without any restraint to any number of DIFFERENT offenses. There are currently 3-4 different offensive philosophy types in the NFL, and the highest passing offenses are pretty much designed based on the same offense Tim Tebow ran in college. The ENTIRE NFL is gearing in that direction. And the NEW NFL QB is the OLD college QB.
