From the getgo he looked like a guy who would need a year or two to get his shit together. Ive been tryin to read up on his camp everywhere I can, and while I keep seeing him getting plenty of practice reps I havent seen much hype on him (other than the typical omggg new england is gonna go 16-0 and win 3 superbowls this season bullshit) Ill admittedly say I haven't (nor intend) to follow Pats camp but Jones was a guy that everyone believed wouldnt be ready to rock out the gate (and I felt the exact same thing when I thought the Jets could draft him). Not saying his a bust but im just not prepared for him to be an impact guy at this point. Ill also say I think hes getting alot of reps because of Ninkovichs injury (oh and all those quotes are from espn boston within the last week or so, not like they were from february before the combines or something)
Becoming a starter on the Pats D isn't the same chore as becoming a starter on the Jets D. Not only was the Pats D pretty bad last year, but they lost 2 starting DE/LBs in Mark Anderson and Andre Carter. So just because Jones will start and play a lot this year doesn't mean he will be gangbusters. Conversely it also doesn't rule out him being gangbusters....it just means he has a different opportunity.
I think you're just buying into pre-draft media hype, and that's never a good idea. Look, I'm not saying he will or won't have a good rookie year, it's pretty much a complete crapshoot as far as I'm concerned, but I do have to scoff at the idea that there is some sort of guarantee he can't contribute year 1. As far as I'm concerned he has just as good of a chance as Coples to make an immediate impact. As for the idea that starting on that Pats defense is less impressive, I don't see any reason to believe the competition at DE/OLB is tougher at Jets camp.
Here are some snippets from Mike Reiss' "Quick Hit Thoughts Around NFL & Pats" this morning: After the draft, I would have agreed with you that Jones would have some moderate production in limited roles this season, then hopefully flourish next year. Now, my expectations have definitely changed from reading all of the reports from camp every day. Especially in the last few practices, reports about Jones are overwhelmingly positive. The fact that Reiss doesn't even think we have room for Andre Carter anymore highlights how well our new additions appear to be doing. That said, I think it is way too early to pass any judgements on Coples. From what I have heard, both Ron Brace and Jermaine Cunningham have had great camps so far. Both are players that most people had given up on. I'm not sure whether that proves that players can take a while to bloom, or simply that training camp is a poor indicator of talent, but either way it is good news for Coples.
considering how jones dominated the big east competition i expect him to come right in and dominate the nfl.
I have had an opportunity to know and speak with some of the Giants draft war room guys, and they told me they would have taken Jones over Coples. The one who said it wasn't doing it rub it in, or seem like a know-it-all. In fact, of the few Giants scouts I know, he's the only one who doesn't knock the Jets. He was once a Jets fan. Normally I wouldn't care, but it's the Giants scouts and they've had a pretty good track record with D-Linemen, pass rushers in particular. They like Jones, not Coples.
Greg Bedard also said and I quote "Dont'a Hightower DROY Book it" So it sounds like I can take him as serious as you could take someone like Steiny serious (the guy raving about how bad ass Lankster and every udfa for the Jets will be)
You can believe what you like, but from my view, Bedard is no homer. He's not originally from the area, and has covered other teams in the past (I think he was on the Packers beat before he came to the Globe) and he's someone who has earned my respect as a guy who knows his football. Trust me, there are a lot of morons who cover my favorite team (you can relate I'm sure) but he isn't one of them. Side note: Sorry for hijacking the thread, that honestly wasn't my intention. I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see which player has the better rookie year.
Im not exactly sure how scouts watched Coples and said he was a first round pick. It's almost as if teams create fake buzz regarding a player knowing there are teams that will bite. There are expectations with him now, but for me, just from watching him at UNC I'd be surprised if he records a sack this season. The explosion and the nuances of finding space to get to the QB just arent there. He's a stiff. Jets going diline was puzzling. It seems like the Seahawks selection of Irivin caused them to panic.
I agree - lets face the facts - Couples looks like a stiff! Will he continue to be a stiff - I hope not. I would'nt of picked Couples. I will say one thing - the Jets are gonna ride him hard. The last thing the Jets want is Couples being a stiff so they will do everything in their power to prevent it. YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CANT MAKE HIM DRINK!
stop picking on coples.he fits well in the jets defense.jet fans were saying the same thing about the wilkerson pick.look how he turned out.
The thread was better as a Coples vs Jones instead of the SOJF who are ready to declare Coples a bust prior to his first preseason game. Ill leave it at I think Hightower has a far greater impact than Jones
Was never a fan of the Coples pick since I didn't care much for his days at college BUT I do think people are over analyzing this. Some guys just aren't great practices guy but really step it up and perform on the field or when needed upon. That happens alot in sports...some guys attitudes just change when the pressure builds and when its an actual game going on. I think Coples seems like the type who unless its an important game(Which all 16 games are), doesn't turn up his A game....which is both good and of course bad. If he doesn't stick out in early parts of the season, then its a little alarming. But for now, I don't think its a big deal he isn't putting it on during TC. Also add the fact that the Jets defense is pretty tough to read and learn right away and of course there will be a transition period going on. It isn't as simple as telling Coples to push past the OLineman and go for the sack....he has to learn when to secure gaps, know when to be patient or to go for broke or when to get the right timing to tip/bat a pass down.
I am in no way a supporter of the Patriots, but I think Hightower will definitely have a good shot at DROY. He is one of those guys who makes shit happen and he WILL be a starter. If we had traded down, I would have loved to get Hightower. As for Chandler Jones, he has as good a shot as any rookie first round pick to have a good season. I agree that he is more of a project than Coples, but to say he won't have any type of year one production is ridiculous.
To say that any player who is going to see decent time wont have any type of production wouldnt make sense, so I hope I never said that. I just expect him to be underwhelming in year 1
What exactly did you see that made you decide that Coples (there is no U in Coples) is a "stiff", whatever that means?
