sigh here we go again with excuse after excuse after excuse. The broncos HAD TO TRADE him he refused to play hard and was a locker room cancer. HE WOULDNT HAVE HELPED Tebow one stinking bit. As far as drops Thomas and Decker dropped a few yes, but its not like they dropped 5 passes a game each, your boy couldn't hit them and cant check down to save his life so his 46% completion percentage is on him. Peyton will complete 60+% of his passes to the same guys and then what will you say?
What will you say when Tebow completes 55% of his? Lloyd could've helped Tebow, if he'd wanted to. He sure as heck helped Orton. That's why being traded to the Pats is a good move for him. They won't put up with his B.S. And he's talented enough to be a major threat. He'll have a great year.
They weren't dropping 5 passes per game each, because Denver wasn't passing the ball that much. That said, they did have a high percentage of drops. Trying to remember which game it was, but Tebow was something like 2 for 7 in the quarter/half, and almost all the incompletes were drops Don't get me wrong, I readily admit that Tebow was inconsistent, but you can't lay it all on him. It was a shared responsibility. BTW, if you go over to the Broncos message boards, they are still talking about receivers dropping the ball, and that's with Peyton throwing to them.
I will say he has improved to exactly where I thought he would. Mediocre NFL QB. Tebow has a game manager skill set. Nothing more.
Why? Because I have been proven wrong about Tebow or Sanchez or Smith? All of them are nothing but Game Managers, tasked with NOT LOSING instead of WINNING games. All we have ever asked of Sanchez is to not suck and let our D do the rest. Same goes for Smith in SF. The only difference between you and me is I see Tebows ceiling much lower than yours. You think once he finally masters the ability to throw consistantly, read a defense and deliver a quick ball he will ascend to Elite status where as I see his inability to read a defense, throw the ball consistantly and quickly as barriers he will only slightly overcome leading him to be a career back-up or a spot starter. Only time will tell. Or the other option is he never starts as a real QB in the league again but has a nice career as a back-up/wildcat guy.
The point is that at least I'm smart enough to understand that Tebow has only had 16 starts, that it's too early to pass judgement, and that yes, only time will tell. You, on the other hand, have already stated that he will never amount to anything. Why is it a good thing that you aren't a GM or decision maker ? Because, obviously, based on stats, you would have said that Eli Manning would never be anything more than a game manager. I mean, in his first extended set of starts, his completion % was 48.2% and his passer rating was 55.4, compared to Tebow's rating of 72.9 in his first extended set of starts.
Sigh.. the difference is you can see one has the POTENTIAL to be good the other not. Do you not understand people have eyes? You watch early Eli and you could see the kid had it in him and you think when this kid figures it out we have something, with Tebow its not when he figures it out but IF he figures it. My judgement of tebow is lower than yours. You think heart and intangibles will somehow will him to become better, where I think heart and intangibles are all he has and he is too far behind the 8 ball to learn to play QB now. I would blame his coaches for never making him learn to be a real QB. They used him to WIN and left him deficient in so many catagories it will hamper or end his career.
People looked at Eli and saw that he had potential ? Guess that explains why NY Giants fans booed him so much and basically wanted to run him out of town. People all over the place were talking about how he was a bust. The problem is, you seem to not understand that it takes time for many QBs to develop and really begin to shine. You want to talk about potential ? I saw potential in that Houston game. I saw potential in that Minnesota game. I saw potential in that Pittsburgh game. Hell, I saw potential in the first game against the Pats. Those are all games where Tebow showed potential PASSING THE BALL. Now, if you want to add in his ability to run the ball, and what that forces defenses to do, it's an entirely different dimension. here's another thing you don't get. With Tebow's running ability, he doesn't have to be an elite level passer. All he needs to be is a consistently good passer as his style of game dictates defenses played against him.
wow! that's a big upgrade from "he will never be an NFL QB' I applaud you moving your position forward....
Tebow threw one less TD pass than Peyton Manning did in his college career. Na....guy can't pass the ball.
Be careful... you will soon get someone riled up and posting that college performance does not matter at all. Even though every NFL player is drafted based on that performance, along with the expectations of what they will do in the NFL, again based on that college performance.
There have been a ton of great college qbs that never got a shot in the NFL as a quarterback. The jets even had one on their roster his name was brad smith.
Brad Smith wasn't as good as Tim Tebow. The thing with Tebow is that he's always been very good at a certain type of throw -- downfield. He's got a great arm, and freakish accuracy for the longer throws. He's got great size, great athleticism, big hands. He's got all the things you can't really coach. The things he lacks, you're supposed to be able to coach and learn with practice. Which is why he continues to intrigue talent evaluators (and teams like the Jets).
Take the rose color glasses off. Tebow has never been known as a passer and has proved that thus far in the NFL. Others with similar sets would not even been given the chance Tebow has. Vince Young was a better Tebow than Tebow as far as Athletic ability and success in college they both suck as NFL qbs. I think it is funny that poster on here used to use the same not enough starts argument for kell In Clemens. The fact remains not one NFL Team wanted Tebow to come in an be their starting Qb including the JETS. Tebow just not have the skill set or the football IQ to be a successful NFL qb in the long run. Watch the guy practice he will not throw the ball he runs on 7v7 drills this is his third year in the NFL he is running out of time for this magical improvement. Tebow is a gimmick Qb that the jets will have success using this season. He will never be better than the bottom half Qbs in the NFL. As soon as he stops being valuable as a runner Tebow will be out of the NFL. I think he will have a successful career in politics but as an NFL player he will be interesting conversation piece.
Makes no sense. VY was drafted #3 overall, and has something like 50 starts in the NFL. Tebow's been given a chance, sure -- and he's done some good things when he got in there. I can see you wanted to get that off your chest. Good to know.
See, that's what I mean... The lack of reading comprehension. I can't even debate people when they can't understand simple concepts or have no attention to detail. NOBODY is saying that a QB WILL be good because he was good in college. WE ALL know ALREADY that this is not the case. The point is that in the case of Tebow, people will say that what he did in college means absolutely nothing, while ignoring the fact that all QBs are drafted based off COLLEGE, not NFL performance. It is simply convenient, for detractors' arguments sake to automatically throw out all Tebow's accomplishments in college when a supporter points out that the kid actually can throw accurately. All we are saying is to give him the same time that HOFers like Peyton Manning got.
Show me in another QB in the history of the NFL that threw for over 300 yards in his first playoff game that took this much heat from a bunch of know-nothings. Goes with the territory of being the most loved and the most hated.
I can show you a QB who also has had multiple 4th quarter comebacks in one year, has 4 playoff wins, has an overall winning record, and gets criticized as much if not more. Name is Mark Sanchez. There were multipel threads on him labeling him done and hitting his peak. Go just search any Sanchez threads from the last 3 years.
