This is clearly a lack of understanding on your part. You cannot merely get lucky and perform a 360 dunk from the three point line. You must have extraordinary athletic ability to perform that feat. A golf hole-in-one, is inherently based on luck, though there is skill involved in getting in the general vicinity of the hole. My argument is that Tebow has performed a good deal of incredible QB plays, he just needs to do it more consistently.
You're splitting hairs. Yes, most of the compliments one says about a player have been said about other players, and most of the negative comments about a player have been said about another player. THat doesn't move the discussion at all. When evaluating a player, it's an inexact science of looking at the good, looking at the bad, figuring out which things are possible to improve, and which things are likely to not improve. Trying to cram it all into one single slogan is useless in player evaluation. The bottom line is they either get where they need to get, or they don't. With Tebow, the point is that some onlookers (including the NY Jets) see the talent, and believe the weaknesses are the things that can be improved. But when we try to explain why we think the good things are the "real" indicators, and the bad things are explainable (i.e. should not define Tebow or can be improved), his detractors call it "making excuses," or "giving him all the credit for his teammates" or some such. These "excuses" or observations of the good are relevant when trying to evaluate the individual player. That's all you have to work with -- looking at things and deciding which will ultimately win out, the good or the bad.
You also need to be in outer space to accomplish that feat. Wtf has tebow done that would be as incredible as a dunk from the 3 point line? Cool, he's completed some passes and run for some td's. He also sucks at qb.
The point is to most observers including the Broncos Tebow has not shown he can become a pocket passer in the NFL. The Jets would not have asked him to bulk up if they wanted him as their starting QB. Tebow seems to be a good leader Sanchez needs help with that hopefully it rubs off. Tebow is a good ball player hopefully he helps the Jets win some games. There is absolutely no evidence Tebow was brought it to be the Jets starting QB.
Poor reasoning skills lead to poor communication. You guys couldn't grasp the reasoning, so he gave a very extreme example to illustrate the point (which you missed at first), then now turn to looking for examples that are as extreme as dunking from the 3 point line. The point is that highlights are a form of constructive "cherry picking." They reveal potential, under the theory that what a player does once or twice, he might be able to do consistently with practice and development. So, to answer your question a different way -- there is nothing as extreme as dunking from the three point line (which is impossible and has never occurred). But Tebow has made throws which you or I could not make -- he has demonstrated NFL arm strength, for one thing. No amount of "cherry picking" can conjure up NFL arm strength. It's either there or its not. And if a highlight reveals NFL arm strength, that's a good thing. And it's supposed to be a given that he's a great running quarterback with a clutch gamesmanship (moment is not too big for him under pressure), so he really only needs to be average as a routine pocket passer. It's graded on the curve.
The Broncos replaced him with Peyton Manning. They did not make a pronouncement about his ultimate prospects in the NFL. It is undocumented that the Jets asked him to bulk up. Having said that, there is no evidence they want him as their starting QB. He is quite literally the "back up," both in games, and for the possibility that Sanchez busts, they need something to turn to.
Cherry picking is cherry picking. We can show entire games where his suck factor is displayed in full glory. You can show hand picked plays where he did something good ... kind of like you could do for every player in the NFL. Congrats.
You, Sir, are spot on. Whether some people want to ignore the easily demonstrable great plays Tebow has made in the NFL, they are there to be viewed on YouTube. He has done things on the NFL football field that few elite QBs are capable of, while also performing the same throws that elite QBs are capable of. The difference is that he has been inconsistent at the latter. I won't try to explain why that is the case, because it will just be seen as making excuses. The point is that he has more in his tool bag than even the great Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Whether he can consistently do the things that make Rodgers, Brees, Brady, and Manning do on a regular basis remains to be seen. I'm not saying he will, but from watching the guy play for 6 years, I think he can. And to answer the other poster's question... no you cannot say that about every QB in the league. Looking at Tebow's highlights, he has done some incredible things that few QBs in the history of the NFL have been athletically capable of.
Show me a highlight of him making all the throws from the pocket. Look up his highlights on YouTube. I'm not going to do the work for you. It is all right there. Are you delusional? They only thing he can do better is run and that is even debatable with Aaron Rodgers? You are really comparing Tebow to the best Qbs in the NFL? WoW You have a reading comprehension problem. I said he has more in his tool bag. I didn't say that he threw better. If you list all the football skills that Tebow has and compare that to those other QBs, he is able to do more. That does not mean he is better overall, nor that he is superior to them. He has? he is not even the most athletically gifted of todays Qbs. Let see Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Vince Young Aaron Rodgers is even more athletically gifted than Tebow. What Tebow can do better than any of those guys is run like a FB and you are correct there has not been any successful NFL QB that runs like A FB. The closest would have been Bobby Douglass. Michael Vick and Cam Newton are the only present QBs in the league that can be compared athletically to Tebow. Comments like this is why people shake their heads at "tebow lovers" No. It's your lack of reading comprehension to understand what someone writes that causes you in particular to "shake your head" at people who think Tebow can be a good QB. Your analysis is all over the place.
You said Tebow has more in his tool bag I call BS Tebow does not have more in his Tool bag in fact he has less that is his problems he has less tools and the wrong ones to be a successful NFL Qb at this time. I did look at his highlights he threw alot of deep balls and seem routes and a lot of running he did not make all throws in his highlight videos. That is why I ask please show me him making all the throws from the pocket. Compare Tebow to Blaine Gabbert or Colt Mccoy but to compare him to Manning , Brees, Rodgers and say he has more in his toll bag is a complete lack of understanding of football and the Qb positions. Tell me honestly have you ever played organized tackle football?
Listen, I can't explain it to you anymore than I have. If you don't get it by now, you will never get it. No, I have never played organized tackle football. I was a basketball player. Not sure what the relevance is.
I love the moving target argument: Somebody doing something incredible means they have elite skills. No, it has to be REALLY incredible to prove it's not a function of chance. Tebow has done things REALLY incredible. I can't show you what they are, you have to find it for yourself. You don't understand the argument because you can't find what I haven't told you what it is. Those things I told you to find but didn't tell you what they are prove Tebow has elite skills no other QB has. But I can't tell you what those elite skills are but your inability to evaluate them means you don't understand what I didn't tell you. Therefore Tebow is elite. It's your fault you don't understand.
Somebody doing something incredible means they have elite skills. I did not say that. The point you missed is that some things are lucky, some things take a certain level of ability to accomplish. Tebow's detractors chalk up his success to luck, in large part. No, it has to be REALLY incredible to prove it's not a function of chance. I also did not say that. I used an extreme example in order to punch home the concept. Tebow has done things REALLY incredible. I can't show you what they are, you have to find it for yourself. I'm not going to support laziness. I do my own research, so others can do the same. If you cannot take five seconds to Google search, then it is not important to you, and therefore, not important to me. It seems very easy for others to find the highlights of the Detroit Lions game, so I think it is easy enough for them to find the good highlights. You don't understand the argument because you can't find what I haven't told you what it is. See above... the videos are easily found on Youtube via Google search Those things I told you to find but didn't tell you what they are prove Tebow has elite skills no other QB has. I'm not going to get into an argument over the semantic differences between skills and ability, but they are not the same. I also never said that "no" other QB has these abilities. I said very few have these abilities. But I can't tell you what those elite skills are but your inability to evaluate them means you don't understand what I didn't tell you. At no point did I say that I "can't" tell you what they are, or that anyone on here does not have the ability to evaluate skills or abilities. I questioned some people's reading comprehension. You are demonstrating this quite well. Therefore Tebow is elite. It's your fault you don't understand. Once again, I did not say Tebow is elite. I said that he has more tools than some elite QBs. It does not infer that he is better than any of them as a QB. It also does not infer that the total sum of Tebow's skills or abilities trump the other quarterbacks' more limited, but much more refined skills. I'm not quite sure why you are attempting to extrapolate some higher deeper meaning behind what I am saying. I think I am saying it plainly and clearly. No need for your interpretation of what I am saying. Especially, since you are attributing comments to me that I did not make.
Two things. First, name a throw that Tebow cannot make (aside from threading a needle through a seemingly impossible opening seeing as how everyone agrees that he isn't the most accurate passer. Secondly, "having more tools in his bag" doesn't mean that he's as adept as others at using all those tools.
This again shows how he can make all the throws. No facts just speculation. Tebow fans conveniently forget Denver lost their games a limped into the playoffs. In those games Tebow completed 50%, 44.8%, and 27.3% of his passes yes 27.3% . He also had four ints and I think four or five fumbles. Sure he played well against the Steelers but still only completed 47.6% of his passes and then a whopping 34.6% against the worst pass defense in the league. Tell me where he has proven that he can throw from the pocket and make all the throws. His season high was 66% against Minnesota but Y/A was paltry 3.25. Please tell me it is not a trick question what tools does Tebow have in his bag that very few NFL Qbs have had? Don't let the facts get in the way of your Tebow loving.
