Manning vs Romo

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  1. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Humvee vs Ferari

    Not pretty, rugged, gets the job done vs Pretty, fragile, and cracks at crucial moment.

    P.S. Cowboys not making it all the way to the playoffs, and Packers not winning the SB last year, are NOT the indictment against the QBs. I have maintained for years that, if your OL gives up more than 2 sacks a game, the QB will suffer. As it happens, both Romo AND Rodgers were hammered as much as Sanchez got hammered, in the vicinity of 40 sacks a year. On another note, Romo was hammered staggering 81 times (that is, outside the sacks he took.) That's good for 22nd throughout the entire league. In short, Dallas OL was like WFH Lite playing on all five positions. Also you could say the play calling wasn't nearly as good, but then that argument doesn't answer how Romo still posted 100+ QBR. (Other than Tony Romo is the next reincarnation of Joe Montana, which is obviously not even remotely true.)
     
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  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Where did I say the Giant games were ALL on him? I said he had chances to make plays and failed which is 100% true.

    That's the life of a QB, when you don't win you get the blame. he also gets all the credit when they do win and if he's playing better they win more games and even a SB but he's come up small in big games throughout his career.

    I didn't say it wasn't but he didn't do much that game and all he needed to do was catch a snap and place down a hold for a chip shot FG and failed to do it.
     
  3. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    That's beyond his QB'ing responsibilities which I already stated that I don't put much stock in that play.

    They are both very close in my opinion, but I have Eli slightly better.
     
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    It's beyond his responsibilities to make plays to win games?
     
  5. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Holding for the FG try is beyond his QB'ing responsibilities so I do not put stock in that play.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Oh, ok but he didn't put enough pts on the board that game to win.

    I think Tony has the ability to be a top 5 QB in this league, I think if Eli doesn't have those 2 playoff runs he's miles ahead of Eli but Eli does have those runs and he's way ahead of Romo at this point.
     
  7. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    There are more things that go into winning Football games than just the QB. Eli is not way ahead of Romo. They are very close. Were they not close in week 17 last year? I think Eli played great in the playoffs last year, but I don't think that the Giants run all of a sudden puts him way ahead of Romo. Like I have said all along, I have Eli ahead of Romo, I just don't think it's by a lot.
     
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    now it's 2 SB runs w/ 5 road playoff wins, Romo has 1 playoff win total and that was at home. I believe Eli is well ahead.
     
  9. devilonthetownhallroof

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    Where did I say that you did? All I said was that those two games were not on him at all, and that of all the reasons the Cowboys missed the playoffs he's dead last on the list.
     
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    Well name a QB who only has 15 points 58 minutes into the game against that shitty Patriots defense....seriously, Sanchez and Rex Grossman put up more. That game should have never been close, I expected Eli to torch the Patriots, instead it was fg after fg after fg and if Welker catches that ball, the Giants only score 15 points which would have looked absolutely pathetic
     
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    The Pats D played much better in the playoffs than it had all season
     
  12. nyjunc

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    That's not true, if he stepped up like a top QB should he would have led them to the playoffs especially considering 9 wins was good enough to win that division.

    I think the Pats D was much better than their ranking indicated but in the playoffs the only good O they faced was the Giants and the Giants O was not great.
     
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    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    You do realize football is a team game right?
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Yep and he has had good teams around him but yet they can't win, I wonder why that is?

    Some Qbs are stat guys, others can play in big spots. We have a guy that puts up mediocre #s but isn't afraid of the big stage but there are guys like Romo, Ryan, Rivers, etc... that are just stat guys.
     
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    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    So you realize it's a team game and still continue to blame Romo. How many Cowboy games did you watch last year? 1? 2?
     
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    I watched at least a handful including our game where he gets an assist on our win. I know he has a ton of talent around him and I know he doesn't win enough w/ that talent. Good QB, excellent fantasy QB but not a guy I'd want running my team.
     
  17. LeonNYJ

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    I'll take Eli who plays in the shit weather of East Rutherford over Romo who plays in Dallas.
     
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    Give some specifics about how Romo held the Cowboys back last year.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    -How about his fumble then INT to help lose the jet game
    -how about up 27-3 against detroit throwing TWO INts for Tds to get Det back in it and only able to lead Dal to a FG after that in 34-30 loss
    -had a chance to put NE away instead wound up losing 8 yds and gave Brady almost 3 mins to come abck and win it
    -could only lead Dal to 13 pts against Arizona
    -up 5 w/ just over 3 mins left and 2 NYG TOs left, all he needed was 2 1st downs. Couldn't get one and set up Eli in great FP to win the game
    -could only lead Dal to garbage time TD in 20-7 loss to Philly in week 16
    -at NYG for div in week 17, do you think he could have led his team to a point in the 1st half? it would be one thing if it was a low scoring half but NYG scored 21 and that gave Dallas very little shot in the 2nd half.

    are these examples good enough?
     
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    From what I remember the Cowboys were one overthrow away from eliminating the Giants from the playoffs last year. I do think Romo takes way more criticism than he deserves, as every QB has plays like that, but I do think Eli is the better QB at this point in their careers. Romo has to step it up and take his team past round 1 of the playoffs before he gets any due. I think that could happen this year, since their D will be improved.
     

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