but most of our money on defense is tied to those parts. david harris has the highest cap value. revis, cro, and wilsons cap value equals around 21 mil, harris, pace, and scott is around 25...
Yeah, the Jets were very nice about it. They didn't fire Schotty for failing to shepherd Sanchez through the ridiculous maze they put him in. But they also didn't trust him to implement the Ground and Pound because he had broken from it with semi-disastrous results a couple of times after the braintrust decided to shut the passing game down for the year and run to the playoffs.
For which year? Last year the numbers were 17 and 15. This year it's 25 and 21. Next year when Pace and Scott become cap casualties and Harris number goes to 13 while Revis and Cromartie count for 20, before Revis renegotiation? In any case it's 3 starting linebackers getting what 3 cornerbacks make which is absurd. The safeties make nothing at all compared to the corners which is also absurd.
the team is set up with a lot of guys that we are most likely going to see for a while. pace and scott are probably not included in that list. that being said, the money will even out when its time to renegotiate their respective deals. the key here is that our defense is young. it seems to me that you just really WANT to have some big name linebacker or safety instead of darrelle. either way, the team is operating just fine and its pretty funny how quickly fans are starting to second guess rex ryan's defensive mind. also, nobody at any position has been near as dominant as darrelle has been.
I'm second guessing Rex's defensive mind because in the two games that ended the season in 2009 and 2010 his defenses weren't that good and in both cases it was a personnel issue. I'm second guessing him because the Patriots just shredded the Jets defense last year. These are not trivial issues. When Rex says he needs great CB's and gets them and then his defenses fail the final exam or the main qualifiers it's an issue.
those losses dont in any way lie purely on the shoulders of the defense do you remember what this defense looked like the year before rex?
Shredded. Heh. THe Pats scored over 32 points a game on average last regular season. So, they scored a bit more than that in the second game against the Jets. I know we would like to forget that game, but so much so that we want to hang all 37 points on the D? Like Sanchez's pick six to Ninkovich? Or what Ryan called the stupidest play he's ever seen, actually the stupidest play in NFL history, when Sanchez called a timeout with 1:24 to play in the half? I can agree the D should have held, but how many times do you give Brady and the Pats O an extra chance without it coming back to bite you? And of course special teams should have used a short kick there instead of kicking it through the end zone. Then of course there was that muffed punt by McKnight, giving NE the ball on the Jet 13. You also saw the D do things like force Brady into a safety. I know you would love to hang all those points on the D, even the pick six. But of course that would not be honest. WOuld it?
I think you are correct in your reasoning about Ryan, but I don't think that a lot of your fellow Jets fans are going to agree with you although probably most knowledgeable football fans would. A good/great pass rush can make even an ordinary secondary look good by harassing/hurrying the QB. It can make a talented secondary great, so most NFL defensive gurus would prefer a strong front 7 over a strong secondary. In an era where successful teams pass a lot and where the cap means trade-offs among personnel, it just makes more sense to put more money into the DL or the LBs than into DBs, especially since good QBs can always find somebody open if they have enough time. That's been Brady's modus operatus all his career, and the best way to avoid that is to hurry or harass him as the Giants have proven in the Super Bowl twice. I think that Ryan's defense, which depends upon good/great CBs rather than a good/great pass rush, depends upon schemes for its success. Ryan's schemes generally work successfully in the regular season because opponents have varying quality and styles of offense and coaching, so the stats look good. Deep in the playoffs, however, teams face opponents with good offenses and smart coaches, rendering defensive schemes much less effective and exposing personnel deficiencies.
we have done it the opposite w/ great coverage helping a mediocre pass rush. I guess it can work both ways? The great pass rushers like Jared Allenb, Demarcus ware and the future like JP don't grow on trees. It's hard to find those types, we have possibly the best defensive player in the game and he's helped our D be one of the best overall the last 3 years(thiough we were mediocre last year). I wish we could find a pass rusher to go w/ great coverage but for some reason we can't and we have managed to be pretty good anyway. are you saying hi schemes haven't worked in postseason? he's 4-2 w/ 4 road wins including beating the 2 hottest teams in the NFL in '09 & '10 in the div rd. His teams ran out of gas a bit in the title games but his D's have had a ton of postseason success.
Read what I wrote again. I said when teams get "deep into the playoffs", not just into the playoffs. I was trying to explain why "they ran out of gas".
the div rd is going somewhat deep in the playoffs and we beat a 2 seed and 1 seed the 2 div rds in '09 & '10. We were doing just fine against peyton until Dbs started dropping like flies in the '09 title game, in '10 ben made a few plays but more w/ his legs than his arm. We shut down their passing game.
you were doing a horrible job the games werent lost by the defense, pure and simple. want to see a team lose because of defense? look at the saints.
we shut down everyones passing game but dont let that fact deter the likes of these guys from saying we need to make changes :breakdance:
I disagree, I think the D was the main culprit in both title game losses but that doesn't mean we couldn't beat those teams, they were just better on those days. We faced the best offense in the AFC in the div rd and beat them fairly convincingly in the '10 playoffs. In '09 we faced possibly the best O in the AFC and shut them down.
The bottom line on this "You have to get a great pass rusher!" argument is that, yeah, that would be nice, but there's more than one way to skin a cat, as the old saying goes. The Jets in fact wasted the sixth pick in the draft on VG, who was supposed to solve their pass rush issues. Calvin Pace was supposed to help, and then last year, his first healthy year, he got diverted by having to seal the edge more in Bryan Thomas's absence. Maybin made an impact but has limited time on the field because he has not been effective in run D. I am not absolving the FO here, but really, who was it that the Jets should have easily gone out and gotten to upgrade their pass rush? And of course they did pick Coples, who should help, at least somewhat in the short run. Until this problem is solved, the Jets have essentially no choice but to rely on pass coverage to defuse the passing attacks they face. They will be able to rely on Revis and Cro to play man on outside coverage, and that leaves nine other players to defend the rest of the field. To quote Donald Rumsfeld, you go to war with the army you've got. The Jets cannot do their roster over. They instead need to base what they do on their strengths, and try as best they can to cover their weaknesses. All this talk about how a differently set up D would be more effective will, along with a buck three eighty, get you a buck three eighty's worth of coffee. BFD, it is what it is, get over it, Revis is not going to be traded this off season, move along there, have a nice summer, that says it all.
its not like they were shootouts and we had a lead and needed to hold. the fact that the offense even had a chance to come back and try and win would show that the defense was the strong suit in those games. i mean, as much as youd hope to not let teams score 24 points, that is not an insurmountable score by any means.
