Why is it bullshit? Not trying to start an argument. But the question is will it work. And I say it will work, but not enough to spend extensive time on it in practice or in games especially compared to running the standard offensive with one person at the helm. The league has mostly rendered the Wild Cat useless. Here's a link that is similar to what I am saying: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/sports/football/wildcat-has-been-on-wane-in-nfl-despite-tebow.html
I hope it work real bad because i want my jets to win the god dam SB, even if i am a sanchez fan and not tebow i hope they can work together in a good way. Go jets
That article if a fairly good technical discussion of the "Wildcat". It looks like many people on this forum don't understand that what Tebow has done 99% of the time is not a wildcat play but a multiple option offense. I think most people assume that all Tebow did was run and therefore he is nothing but a running back. It may be semantics for some but if Tebow can burn you with a pass - which he was able to do multiple times last year it opens up the option offense considerably. The Steelers were counting on that when they got burned and so were a few other teams. The poor play late in the season last year on the Broncos was probably more due to the multiple starters that were out or 50% from injuries. The list was long and the team was crap before the injuries. This is my opinion and although a Tebow fan I am not an apologist. He needs to get significantly better as a passer. I think he will - many are sure he will not. We will see. I will be pulling for the Jet - Tebow or no Tebow in the lineup. I like to watch winning football so let's go. I hope whatever the offense does will work.
The wildcat IS an option formation. It wasn't just invented by Sparano. He took the option and added it to the Dolphins offense employing a RB who can throw if needed.
lol this right here. i dunno why this is becoming so complicated lol. Tebow is a dangerous utility running threat with a good enough arm to get TD passes along the way. but shhhhh dont tell the media that. god forbid someone rain on their "Great White Hope" parade.
The reason why many Jet fans focus on the term Wildcat rather than the more general term of option offense is because of the concept that the Jets will run some sizeable number of plays where both Tebow and Sanchez are on the field. If there is any element of those plays where misdirection or a line up read of the D affects which of the two gets the hike, that is concededly different than what Denver ran last year. But it is proper to call that the Wildcat. I don't know how many Jet fans are aware that Denver did not run the Wildcat. This is, of course, of material interest since, unless Tebow is lining up behind center and Sanchez is off the field, the Jet O will not be what Tebow was using last year. His performance last year will be of something less than direct relevance, pro and con, to an analysis of how he will be used this year in a "more" Wildcat setting. I am also starting to think that the number of plays when the Jets put both Sanchez and Tebow on the field will be less than has been implied.
Having both Sanchez and Tebow on the field is a very dangerous play as far as someone getting injured, most likely Sanchez. Tebow has never blocked in his life. Think about how many RBs who don't get on the field because they're terrible in pass protection and a liability. Now, you're asking someone who is alien to the position AND has never blocked to be on the field? If the ball is not snapped to Sanchez, then he is fair game if he tries to block or moves to even be involved in the play! There is a great deal of confusion with the acquisition of Tebow: He has never played the positions that so many claim he should play. Nor is he truly athletic/fast enough to be a Running Back or Strong Enough to be a Full Back. Nor has he ever blocked or shown he can get off the line to play Tight End. He's fast and strong for a quarterback, but not Brad Smith athletic (4.4 forty, 39 inch vertical leap, etc.) These are all highly skilled positions that not just anyone can play just because somebody labeled him a "football player". The Wild Cat has nothing to do with anything that Tebow has ever run in his entire career, college and the Pros. Nor has he really been effective in an actual designed run that is not dictated by a mismatch. So, that's why I posted that article. It makes no sense ultimately to devote practice time and valuable reps, which will be less under the CBA, to a Wild Cat that has so many working parts even more-so than an Option Offense. Its High Risk because the exchange is the part that can cause a turnover and involves players who may not be in rhythm or accustomed to making those plays. They will run a Zone-read Package at different times in the game. But more than 50% of the time, it will end up being a standard offensive play instead. That's the problem with having 2 guys playing the position. Its risky to have both on the field at the same time, and you're not gonna get two players at maximum efficiency because the rest of the team has to be on the same page if you're leaving players in. Miami was successful with the Wildcat because they did not substitute players.
I have never believed Tebow and Sanchez will be on the field at the same time. Maybe for a few trick plays, but I don't think that's why they traded for him. I think they're trying to create two different offenses, one for each QB. Some may see that as an indictment on Sanchez, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. It might be a case where the FO is concerned about the talent around Sanchez, and think they can limit his exposure by taking him off the field in certain situations.
Having two different offenses will be a whole lot more "complicated" than anything Schottenheimer created, even if individually both are "simple". Moreover, it will make execution of two different sets of plays dicier as well. Did I mention that good defenses will figure both out in short order and likely render both ineffective? Having 2 offenses is surely a recipe for disaster.
It's unconventional, but I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out before I declare it a "disaster"
Since first hearing about the ways Tebow might be used, I have been skeptical about them for the reasons you have mentioned. The pollyannas here don't want to address these points. They are happy to be "hopeful" that, somehow, the Jets make it all work. An extension of the concern you mentioned about an increase in turnovers is that the same phenomenon also causes a break in the rhythm Qb's want to get into. Taking the Qb off the field every once or so has some potential upside, like a brief chance to talk to the OC or the other coaches, but that's not a huge benefit, and is of less value the more it is used. Another problem is that substituting Qb's, like other offensive substitutions, allows the D to make their own substitutions. The value of "confusing" the D that might in theory come from having two Qb's on the field goes away when one goes out for the other. The D can then substitute in anticipation of what they expect from the Qb going in. Finally and perhaps most important of all, they are going to try and do all this at the same time they are incorporating a whole new O with a brand new OC. Even the standard plays will therefore be brand new, and new to learn, or they end up being the same as the plays that the Jets are used to from last year, meaning the Schotty plays his haters criticize so much. Assuming the expectation is that those hated Schotty plays will be discarded, the O has to learn a new set of "standard" plays, some with one Qb, others with the other, in addtion to all else going on. And people complain that Schotty's O was too complex. Heh.
I agree that we won't see much of Tebow/Sanchez on the field at the same time , only because if Tebow's taking the snap its like playing 10 on 11 because Sanchez can't do much besides play QB but: The only thing I can say is that if Tim Tebow wants to stay in the league for a long time, he better learn how to block. I understand he's never played RB/FB/TE positions, but thats because he refuses to do so, not because people don't think he can. (or even that its in his best interest to be a QB strictly) He's not Brad Smith athletic but he's strong, tough and has good vision and straight line speed. He could be a modern-day John Riggins honestly down the line if he dedicated himself to that position, but he doesn't. He can be effective as a part-time QB if that's what he wants to do and so I'm not completely against the Jets using him that way but If I were him, I'd want to be a full-time player and not a part-time one, so I'd be willing to be more flexible. If he truly wants to "just play football" and "help the team win anyway (he) can" as he says he'll practice what he preaches and learn to block somebody - he's a big enough boy. I was very,very discouraged to hear Westhoff's problems with him as the punt protector - that's a great spot for him to take to blocking and helping the team.
I might have missed something - what problems did Westhoff have with Tebow? I read something recently about Westhoff laughing at a young assistant after the assistant mentioned to Tebow he might have to make a tackle and got a serious stare from Tebow but hadn't hear anything else.
you'll have to excuse Jim "Jet" since he just became a Jet "fan" on March 21 and has been posting his prayers for Mark Sanchez to be replaced by his adored Timmy every single moment since
so anyone who is 6'3" and 240 lbs is automatically a good blocker? seriously you guys WANT tim tebow to be an h back, that doesnt mean he IS a fb, te or h back. its almost as annoying to see fans WISH this guy to be something he isnt as it is to hear all the tebowism from the tebow section. he will either learn how to be a decent qb, be a backup qb or not be in the nfl. i think that is the extent of it with timmy tebone.
I wonder if Tebow and Mark being on the field at the same time will lead to more of this.... Dear God, let's hope not.
