I think it will be effective as long as Ryan can keep the reins and not let the media insanity affect the locker room. I'm not positive anybody can do that in light of the deafening roar for Tebow that is already starting. I thought the real QB plus Tebow combination would have been really effective in Denver where they now have a great game manager and QB in Manning who could make effective use of Tebow and would be less likely to get the fan boot. I am less convinced Sanchez (or almost any other QB in the league) can survive under all that pressure.
well how do we define "works"......... for this ole grizzled darksider i choose to define "works" as giving us an unpredictable offense capable of running AND passing the ball with success. if one gets shut down the other shines. IMO that means a top ten offense - both running and passing. if that occured then u have to look at the defense which will ultimately dictate the W-L record and how far we go. unless they pulled a rabbit out of the hat with coples and davis i think the D wil look like last years. very average in a big spot which doesnt translate into a top 5 unit.
I have faith in knowing that most jet fans know Tebow is not the answer at QB. Elway knew that, and most all knowledgeable fans know that too.
Just like Drew Brees and Eli Manning....right? Well I'm just looking for consistency in your argument. If Sanchez sucks so bad, then Eli and Brees suck bad as well. You basing the fact that Mark had 3 baby step years of improvement and small improvement are "sucking". Unlikely. Rex isn't going anywhere. The Jets haven't had this consistent a defense since St Swithens day. They haven't been this successful in 30+ years. Rex's leash is a lot longer than Mangini's and as much as i know nothing about Sparano, it seems his no-nonsense attitude will go a long way to bring about discipline. Again, an opposing fan blowing out of proportion what the media heads have already blown out of proportion. If you were told you suck every day for a year by different people, eventually you would start to believe it too. Its more conjecture, and the media love using the Jets as a punching bag so I take it with a grain of salt. Outside of RT, I think the Jets solidified a pretty good team. A little better play-calling, a little better coaching, and 1 or 2 2nd year players or rookies step up and the team is good to very good. A couple of lucky bounces and the Defense could be elite. You have a capable backup QB that can do a lot more, much like Brad Smith used to do. But TT's a better thrower. Why not use him more. Its all about misdirection. The first time Tebow catches a pass from Mark when he comes out of the TE position, opposing DCs are going to be pulling their hair out when TT is in with Mark at QB position. I can just as easily say Buffalo will suck again this year based on past history - whether or not it is true. This is the argument you are proposing with Mark sucks, the Defense is mediocre, and locker room problems haven't been fixed.
I think it will work. It will keep the defense on its toes. This will lead to more success all around, instead of the defense constantly knowing exactly what we're doing. Hill will have to play an integral role for our success in both games (WC & Sanchez), as will Kerley and Mcknight. Throw in Tebow its only going to help, plus you've got Sparano running the thing. It's time for the young guys to step up and take over this team.
No.... one guy should be the starter and play the entire game, every snap, unless injury happens and the other should not play and barely get reps in practice at all unless with the practice squad.
Sanchez has started 50+ NFL games. Brees was a Pro Bowler by the time he racked up 50 starts. Manning has always been considered somewhat of a disappointment until this past season, although not a "bust" like Alex Smith. If Sanchez hasn't figured out how to read defenses yet, when does he learn? The fact is that he hasn't gotten any better since about the middle of his second season. When he fails to step up again this season, do you give him another pass because he's "only" in his fourth year in the league? There comes a time when a team has to decide that a player is a bust, even if he's a top five pick. IMO, the Jets made that decision when they traded for Tebow. 4 or 5 wins puts any HC in jeopardy, especially when he flaps his trap and makes promises he can't deliver upon. That's your opinion, and it's NOT shared by an awful lot of Jets fans on this very MB. Again, who is the Jets' starting FS? The answer is that they really don't have one. Who is the Jets' starting #2 WR? Again, they really don't have one. They have bodies assigned to play those positions, not necessarily competent NFL players. They are hoping that rookies and FAs that no other teams want will miraculously become good by donning Jets uniforms. Brad Smith wasn't the backup QB for the Jets any more than he is the backup QB for the Bills. Furthermore, I seriously doubt Tebow is a better thrower than Smith anyways. Play Tebow at TE once too often and some defender will clean his clock, whether he's attempting to catch a pass or block. Then you have no backup QB, which is why what you envision is a stupid idea. The Bills look good on paper, but that doesn't mean that they'll play like gang-busters in games. I really don't know what they'll do. At least the Bills FO went out and tried to fix problems in FA and the draft, which is just the opposite of what the Jets FO has done. They have brought in a QB controversy waiting to happen and a failed ex-HC who has never been an OC and have convinced a lot of Jets fans that everything is "fixed". Well, maybe it is, but I'll believe it when I see it. The last time a team with a rotating QB situation made the playoffs was back in the 1950s. Teams have a hard enough time getting 1 QB prepared to play, much less 2. Maybe Sparano's secret will be that his offense will be so simple that all he has is a list of 10 plays for Sanchez and 5 for Tebow.
Can you please explain?? Like him or hate him, he has always been a team first guy. It's the media frenzy that takes away from the team, not Tebow...
After Denver started 1-4, the infamous billboard that read "Start Tebow" went up and made the news. After a couple of days, the other QBs starting fining Tebow supposedly for not speaking out against the billboard or admonishing fans for not supporting Orton.
I don't have much else to add on to the quote below this one. We're so close to being legit SB contenders, so it wouldn't make any sense to blow everything up. Edwards, and Mangini just weren't that great. Everything they called, you ended up questioning. Nobody has really questioned Rex much. All the blame has been on the same OC that was with the organization before Rex was himself. :wink: :up:
Not a Mangina fan by any means, but if Favre doesn't hurt his shoulder, they win 11 or 12 games his last year and he doesn't go anywhere. The Jets didn't look like they were borderline SB contenders last year and they really don't look as strong as the teams they fielded on 09 or 10. While I certainly am not predicting Rex will get fired (if they have a good year he's fine), but if they play .500 or worse and the ugly behind the scenes shit happens again, he will be gone. Also, if the fault lies with the OC, and Rex as the top guy keeps him on the job for three years and only dumps him because of outside pressure, then who is really at fault.
The opposition will be able to gameplan depending on who is in the game, so the element of surprise is minimized. The true advantage is in situations when its 11 on 11 football and that means "all 11 guys have to be involved in the play." Hope you understand what that means: certain players cannot be on the field in that situation. Also, there are a limited number of packages that can be run in the course of an entire game, so that also limits ultimately what can be accomplished. Establishing a rhythm is important. That's gonna be a tough challenge. Being consistent as a result is going to be even more challenging. I am all about being optimistic and positive as the next guy, but am a realist when it comes to football. When such and such package is brought onto the field, the defense is going to make the adjustment with their personnel. That's why the Wild Cat has become less effective: teams can elect a defensive player to be the "spy" and stay in their lanes, thus neutralizing it or minimizing its effectiveness. Personally, for these reasons, and many more, you have to focus on one guy and he gets all the reps and snaps. The other guy should be a back-up and not play at all or in a very rare circumstance. Not every single game. It may work 1 out of 16 games, but that makes it not worth it ultimately because that's not going to decide games. What will decide games is more of a unified identity and consistency. Only way that happens is by establishing a rhythm and 11 guys playing in tandem. Not gonna happen by disrupting that rhythm.
The Jets are NOT "so close to being legit SB contenders". Playoff contenders, yes, but they weren't even good enough last season to make the playoffs, and they haven't improved significantly. Two questions for all the Schottenheimer bashers: If he was so bad, how come the Jets had success in 2009 and 2010? If he was so bad, how come he wasn't fired after 2011? Remember, he left on his own to go to the Rams. Otherwise, he'd still be the Jets OC.
I thought Schottenheimer got fired! I hear what you're saying about the OC, he shouldn't get as much blame as he seems to get on this forum for the failure of the offense; you cannot point the finger at him for 8 fumbles or all 18 interceptions. Some of those might be his fault, but not all of them. The Jets have a Superbowl Caliber defense that's why they are seen (well last year) as legit SB contenders. Anytime you put a top 5 defense on the field, you're in position to win games (as long as you don't turn over the football!!!).
This made me chuckle, unless if by "solid" you mean "perpetually mediocre." Denver took Orton off the field because he was anything but "solid." They played Tebow, because he was under contract for the next year, they thought the season was lost and they figured once the fans saw how bad he was, they could move on. When the fans began drinking the koolaid, they swallowed hard, and named him the presumptive starter, all the while hoping for something, anything that would get them off the hook. That hope was answered. Orton was released for the same reason Tebow was. John Elway had no faith he was the QB to lead the Broncos back to their glory days, and keeping him around as a backup, or to groom the next guy just wasn't an option.
