'Punk' Holmes Still A Ticking Time Bomb - Cannizzaro

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  1. KWJetsFan

    KWJetsFan Well-Known Member

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    The alarming thing about Holmes saying he has no regrets about his behavior last year is that he clearly sees nothing wrong with it. If he sees nothing wrong with it, it's very likely to happen again.
     
  2. displacedfan

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    I don't know if he has no regrets, or if he doesn't want to talk about it. The full quote was:

    “Why should I?” Holmes said on Monday when asked whether he regretted his behavior in Miami. “I gave my statement after the game was over with and that was that. I left it at that. That’s why (the media) didn’t have anything to talk about this offseason. You didn’t have anything to say to Santonio Holmes because I answered the questions correctly and I left it where it was at. It happened down in Miami. And that’s where it’s going to stay. Down in Miami.”
     
  3. baamf

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    Oh jeez, he's talking about himself in the 3rd person now...
     
  4. Royce Parker

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    You should come find me. I'll let you spike my drink with liquid THC AND I'll pay you for doing it! Not a bad deal, eh?
     
  5. CJLang

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    To make some good PR... then his untrained mouth ruined that...
     
  6. KWJetsFan

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    I hear what you are saying, but the guy was straight up asked if he regrets how he handled the end of last season and he replied with, "Why should I?"

    That's a guy who either doesn't think he acted inappropriately, or he needs someone to explain it to him. That's scary, stupid, or both.

    I really hope some Jets take the leadership role in the locker room this season that seemed to be lacking last year. The Jets can't let this clown step out of line and hurt the team this year. I'd like to think winning is the cure all, but I'm not even sure Holmes would be happy just winning if he isn't touching the ball enough.

    Hopefully everything will work out.
     
  7. RochesterJet

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    Considering Holmes-boy is a boarderline #1 reciever AND had the chance to sign a contract with any team (and any QB during FA last year) he made is choice to run for the cash. He has nobody to be pissed off with other than himself. He is a me first type player like other we have on this team, hence the locker room crap.
     
  8. displacedfan

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    Listening to the press conference again, the question right before the do you regret anything was: "Do you have any regrets last season on how it ended?" Tone said "of course, we missed the playoffs." The next question was do you have any regrets. Both asked by the writer who wrote the article in the OP.

    I do see where you are coming from. And I do think it will work out. He was supposedly, according to beat writers, a great teammate in 2010-2011 season. Winning solves everything. Also, a new passing attack hopefully featuring more deep balls will help.
     
  9. Franchize

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    OK so when my daughter becomes old enough to date, I won't let her date him.

    He's also been a SB MVP and won us games almost singlehandedly. I'll take more of that! Please and Thank You.
     
  10. Going4TheGreen

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    Jets did the right thing allowing Holmes to speak this early and coached him to say the right things as well as they could have. They have nothing to gain by not allowing him to speak as some people suggested. 'Punishing' him raises a red flag in the "this is 2012" plan that everyone has been talking about. It creates an inherent divide between Holmes and his teammates and draws more attention to the situation. Things would spiral out of control with the media aspect worse than him just talking with them.

    Holmes gave the media nothing, but could still have provided a little more less dickhead than he did in his response about Sanchez. That made him seemed distanced from the team and not totally invested, but that's speculation. A simple "Me and Mark are fine, 2011 is in the past" would have sufficed. Instead he went with "I am the starter and he is the starter at QB."

    Holmes is a dick and will continue to be so. He tweeted a pic of himself wearing a shirt that said "captain" recently. But, he won't have anything to complain about if we win.
     
  11. RochesterJet

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    Please, Dexter Jackson, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Dion Branch also won a SB MVP; so that dosent mean shit. Do you rembember the eagles game last year? How about the Miami game? The guy just dissapears in some games, is an underachiever, cry baby, me first, locker room cancer. I cant believe tanny was dumb enough to sign him to that deal. I hope I'm wrong, but I would be we saw the best of Holmes in a Jets uni...
     
  12. chadedward

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    Right on...
     
  13. Demosthenes9

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    What you want the team to have done is to actually address the problem, THEN move past it. Otherwise, it will likely just flare up again. and continue to be an issue.
     
  14. Green Lantern

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    Hack says what?
     
  15. Demosthenes9

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    Or, we can loosely translate Tone's statement to be "that's the past, don't want to talk about it, not going to talk about it, I'm not even thinking about it" and that he thinks everyone else sees it that way also. Then again, he's clueless on the freaking subject.
     
  16. displacedfan

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    What do you mean by address it? For all we know Rex could have called up Tone with Tanny or something like that. Publicly it hasn't been addressed, but if they addressed it publicly the story would carry on. Tone could worded his answers better, but if the Jets want to keep up this "2012 jets only" talk Tone answered the questions correctly
     
  17. Br4d

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    The Jets didn't publicly discipline Holmes for the issues he caused at the end of the year that culminated in him being taken off the field because his teammates didn't want him in the huddle when they had to go get a score or the season was over. Not addressing the issue in public was probably the right thing to do since team-related issues should stay behind closed doors.

    Then the Jets went through a period where unnamed sources ripped Sanchez, greatly affecting his ability to recover from the obvious problems he was having at the end of the year.

    Then the Jets picked up Holmes 2012 salary which also guaranteed 2013 at a figure that was out of proportion to his likely contributions to the team.

    Then the Jets extended Sanchez in a way that tied him to the Jets in 2012, which was the case anyway due to cap constraints, and made it harder to ditch him next year in 2013.

    Then they went out and traded for a very controversial player who happens to play QB and who has a history of unseating people in situations in which the clubhouse and popular opinion were turbulent to put it mildly.

    Now they've apparently decided that Holmes for some reason needs to be given a primary speaking role at a time that is normally pretty dead news other than the draft.

    Holmes has decided to take that opportunity to do things other than reconcile his behavior last season towards his teammates on the offensive side of the ball.

    All I can really say about that chain of events is that if it is not active sabotage it clearly has an underlying theme that is going to make the Jets season next year bumpier than it needs to be.

    You know what I think?

    I think we're all miscasting Woody in a big way. I think we've all looked at the last 6 years as an attempt on his part to emulate the Patriots somehow. The evidence coldn't possibly be farther from the truth.

    What Woody Johnson wants is to be George Steinbrenner the 2nd. He wants the constant attention that Steinbrenner brought to the Yankees. He wants to be seen as a big doer who brings great players to town in free agency. He doesn't mind the turbulence at all because it worked for the Yankees in the late 70's even though it then broke down until Bucky Showalter came to town and got rid of it for good.

    If you look at the last decade as an attempt by the Jets to be the Yankees it all makes more sense. The problem of course is that the Yankees have never tried to do what they do under the constraints of a salary cap. The odds are excellent that they'd be another also-ran team, just like the Jets, if they had that cap hanging over them year after year.
     
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  18. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    You may be onto something with this post :sad:
     
  19. foreboding

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    Crazy, why the hell did Tanny give a known malcontent such a huge guaranteed contract?
     
  20. Br4d

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    He wasn't a known malcontent when the contract was given out. The error in the structure of the contract was the guarantees. 2012 was guaranteed no matter what happened and if Holmes was on the roster on a specific date in February I think then 2013 became guaranteed at a large figure as well.

    So the Jets would have had to take a prohibitive cap for 2012, being the amount of the salary plus prorated bonus to cut Holmes. The date on which the 2013 guarantee kicked in was before the opening of the league year so the Jets could not trade Holmes and avoid part of the hit by passing the guarantee on to somebody else.

    The Jets obviously figured that the way Holmes would screw up if he did so was by a drug violation that got him suspended for a year and allowed the Jets to get out of paying the guarantees. They didn't take into account that he might have other issues that would surface and make the guarantees a ball and chain for them.

    Apparently by letting him speak out on a team conference call they've decided to pretend they made no mistakes in this whole process. It's kind of a brazen attempt on their part to duck responsibility for what happened late last season and the cap issues it has caused moving forward.

    My best guess is the lack of accountability here and in a few other places is going to give us a very sad season next year, probably sadder than the collapse at the end this season.
     

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