Plus here something u never hear. Tebow never beat one team that made the playoffs. Yes they beat the steelers in the playoffs but the year before that seahawks beat saints and we know the saints r the better team.
Again, I'll state that I don't think Tebow should have changed his mechanics. Maybe just fine tuned a couple of things. Funny thing is that I am not alone in this regard, even Joe Montana said he shouldn't try to change them. BUT, he did and the process is ongoing. I readily admit that his mechanics just aren't there right now. That is the major thing that makes him inconsistent in my opinion. It's why I keep pointing to what he did at Florida. While he might not have been the most pinpoint accurate QB to ever play the game, Tebow had no problem getting the ball where he wanted it. He didn't bounce passes into the dirt while at Florida. He didn't miss players by 5 yards on simple out patterns, or slants, or any other "NFL" route. The thing is, throwing mechanics is similar to a golf swing in that with more and more practice/repetition, one can get better at it. Who knows ? Maybe Tebow fixed his mechanics working with Mazzone after this past season? Maybe he will continue to get better and better when throwing the ball? Here's the thing to think about. What happens if Tebow gets to the point where he's a 60% passer, AND he's still the same running threat ? Lastly, I saw an interview with Steve Young, the HoF QB. He said that he spent some time and worked with Tebow. He said that Tebow's problems were not fundamental. They were problems that could readily be fixed.
Heh, that's kind of funny. "Tebow didn't beat any teams that made the playoffs, EXCEPT FOR the Steelers, whom they beat in the playoffs." If you want to go that route, the Pats didn't beat a single team that went to the playoffs, except for the Broncos, and oh yeah, the Ravens, whom they beat in the playoffs.
BTW #1 Jets Fan, Let me reiterate that I'm not saying that Tebow will definitely be a good or great NFL QB. I just think that he's shown amazing promise and that it's too early to judge him as he's only had 16 starts under his belt.
If you really believe that, explain to me why Tebow was given the starting job at 1-4? He was given plenty of room to fail, they thought they were throwing away the season when they put him in. There were no expectations, that's why everyone was surprised when the Broncos won. As a backup you have more room to fail than as a starter. If you do believe that, then Sanchez was put in the same situation but much worse than Tebow. He had to follow Brett Favre and came with a new coach. The Jets went 9-7 and made the AFC Championship. Then everyone said the Jets are Super Bowl favorites. He actually had a pretty good year for a second year QB, but everyone said the Jets failed and blamed the PIT loss squarely on him. He came into his 3rd, Super Bowl was also expected again and they went 8-8 and everyone (media) blames the whole season on him. Mind you Sanchez has had one constant receiver his time in a Jets uniform, and that is Dustin Keller. If you want to argue Tebow had no room to fail, take a look at Sanchez and the market he plays in.
the ONLY reason Tebow got put in at all last year is that the front office felt they might have a shot at Luck and needed to see if Tebow would be a viable starter or if they needed to pursue Luck. Tebow was the only QB on the roster who was under contract after the end of the year...it really isn't a suprise that they put him in to see if they could use him or needed to go a different direction
I support Sanchez also and it is yet to be proven that tebow sucks since the biggest measure of a QB is clutch play late in games and wins versus losses. Two things tebow did well in , in his first 16 starts
I absolutely think that about Sanchez -- brutal development environment he's played his whole career in. The only plus-side is some good talent on the roster to go with him (both sides of the ball).
The question is whether you are being groomed to be the full time starter. No one expects a backup to come in and play "lights out" football. It's expected that there is going to be a drop off in talent. That said, if the "normal" backup does a really bad job, and if there's a third stringer around, the third stringer will probably get some playing time. With a young "starter", you basically give them the keys and say "go out and do it". It's expected that they will have problems and growing pains. The young guy would have to play unbelievably bad for quite a few starts before a coach even thinks about pulling him, and even then, he'd probably only be benched for a short time. Again, look at Gabbert and Ponder. Kyle Orton was available this offseason and could have been brought in by either the Jags or the Vikings. Kyle Orton, rather clearly, is better than either Ponder or Gabbert at this point. If he was in TC with either of them, he would destroy them in a QB competition. But those teams didn't bring in vet QBs to challenge for the starting role, even though Gabber and Ponder can't be accused of lighting things up last year. Why ? Because the teams still see potential in both young QBs and they understand that young QBs need/take time to develop AND they are willing to give the QBs that time. Tebow was given the nod as he was the only other QB that the team was committed to. They had to see what he was able to do (as catfish talked about). First, the Miami game where Tebow led the comeback, then the Detroit game where Denver got destroyed. In my estimation, the coaching staff misread the results of the Detroit game and decided that in order to try and win games, they would make some changes to the offense and be ultra conservative. Again, you can go back and look at most the games during Tebow's "streak". What do you see ? Very conservative play calling for 3 1/2 quarters. Then, late in the 4th, they'd go to an uptempo spread offense from the shotgun with 3, 4, or 5 receivers and snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat. Next game, instead of continuing with what worked, they'd go back to very conservative play calling for another 3 1/2 quarters. The huge major difference is that Sanchez was/is playing for a coach (and organization) who believe in him.
Agreed. Limited experience in college, immediate starter in the NFL. Definitely a brutal development environment.
I support Mark Sanchez, this is a learning experience for him. He was damn good and just had an off season! That's my man and I'm riding with Sanchez! That doesn't mean I hate Teabow. He's a Jet now so hey plus he's a stand up kinda guy!
It Cracks Me Up that so many of you pre-March Jets fans are still so mad that Tebow beat Sanchez with a less talented team the only time they've played, that your only response is to demean him. To recap Tebow v Sanchez = 1 - 0
You mean real Jet fans? The QBs don't play each other. Tebow beat the Jets defense on one fuckin drive. He looked completely lost the rest of the game and threw one shitty pass after another. Other than that, the Jets offense beat themselves. (pick six, OTs terrible, fumbled kickoff, etc.) Open your eyes.
I agree with all this except the bolded part. They had no intentions of doing anything but going in another direction.
If you want to play that game, what did the Jet's do in the first round of the playoffs this year ? Oh yeah, they watched on TV. Here's hoping that we all have a number of playoff victories to talk about at the end of this upcoming season :beer::beer::beer:
Setting a Super Bowl win as your measure of expectation for a first tme stater on a team that was the worst in the NFL is absurd. 8-5 was a pretty good record as a starter from 7-24 And Tebow holds the all time NFL record for 6 fourth quarter comeback wins in first 16 starts .
