A lot of other people did that too, and nobody else is complaining. It's the illogical way you argue and don't give an inch and never give the full picture. It also doesn't help injecting Tebow into most if not all your posts even though it is about nothing really related to him.
You do realize that Rex said that Tebow could getup to 20 snaps a game? Like as in, when the circumstance calls for it, he might get 20 snaps and that he’ll average less than 20 snaps a game... Who knows, maybe some games he gets 2-3 snaps. You are assuming its a “co-quarterback” , which has never existed in the NFL before (for a reason), simply because you are a Tebow fan. You never paid any attention to this team and organization in an in depth manner before 2 weeks ago, and even then, all you post about is Tebow. If you are at least going to be a fan of this team, spread your horizon and post about other topics other than Tebow because that gets really old (See the newly created Tebow forum. As you will notice, there has never been the need for a player, who might I add is a wildcat QB, to have his own sub-forum).
I beg to differ. I always try to back up what I say, I've posted a lot of hard facts that flies in the face of a lot of things that are said about him(which most just brush off and try to find excuses for) and I mostly stay in Tebow related threads. This one has a pretty obvious relevancy. And if you go to other Jets forums, I'm not the only one that picked up on this. Apparently this is the only place that has an issue with that. Very touchy.
But you criticize posters when trying to argue. You say others are brainwashed by the media. Also, you rate your opinion a lot higher than anyone elses and your picking of stats is more correct than others. You have reasons why Tebow might have struggled but you don't logically look at reasons why Tebow might have succeeded. I don't think this has much relevancy. A preseason game is not relevant to Tebow, here is your quote "Tebow vs Newton. BOOM! Who didn't see this coming? And of course...prime time." Really primetime preseason game to say Tebow vs Newton when Sanchez and Newton are the starters? Really going to say thats relevant and the "primetime"? You were either trying to incite or deluded enough to think people are going to go crazy over a preseason game. I don't know how others are posting in your threads and comments, but the majority of the board has problem with posts that are pushing a message and fans of other teams, this team, and players have come and gone before you. It isn't isolated to Tebow fans if you think that. I lurked a long time here, so I have seen posters pushing their ideas in every thread a lot more than you make the same complaints before. EDIT: I agree you present stats and try to back it up, but you have called out my football intelligence a couple times, so that doesn't help either
Because most of the posters here who say something about Tebow, don't actually criticize him from an analytical standpoint they regurgitate the same watered down rhetoric and troll-like comments you hear being spewed by guys like Stephen A Smith, mass media and the casual fanbase. "He can't throw". "He's garbage". "He can't play QB". It's obvious they didn't actually take the time to watch him, and all they know is completion percentage, as if its the only freaking thing that matters about quarterbacks. There are so many other things you should take into consideration, and the funny thing is, most of the REAL experts, have gone on record multiple times and said there was little to nothing wrong with Tebow's accuracy. Including John Fox, Tom Martinez, Tom Brady's QB coach, Percy Harvin who played with him in Florida and went on record to say he NEVER had an issue with Tebow's passing and many others. But all you hear are the louder voices, not the more credible ones. And for the nth time how many more times are you going to avoid facing the fact that Tebow will play day 1, and that has already been officially confirmed. Whether Sanchez starts the game or not, Tebow will be playing. But again, if you want to keep tip-toeing around the obvious and come up with some other possible explanation of why this game was picked to be Prime Time, suit yourself.
Well, then enjoy watching your hero play with the scrubs in mop up time in the 4th quarter. Unfortunately, you and the other Tebowites are going to very disappointed expecting this Newton v Tebow thing when Sanchez plays three quarters as the starter and Tebow plays his 5 wildcat plays before taking over with the subs late in the game. You may think that Tebow will be the starter for the Jets at some point, but I can tell you that, absent an injury, he will absolutely not be starting that preseason game and will not be a co-QB for that game.
I never said Tebow wouldn't play. I don't what you are telling me this for the nth time. Why are you marking it like a Tebow vs Newton matchup or even bringing up it was primetime in the preseason? It is the PREseason. The preseason. To even try to hype up a preseason game is stupid in my opinion. The preseason is the preseason. If it meant as much as you are making it out to be, Brett Ratliff would be the Jets starting quarterback and David Clowney would be the #2 WR.
He doesn't know who those players are or what this post references. You have to be a Jets fan to understand your post.
Wrong... I support Tebow 100%, I even created a thread about it two days after the trade. Not one person ripped into me about it. You know why? Because I was objectivce, presented my argument well and didn't try to force it down anybody's throat. It's quite simple really, don't be a douche and people won't rip into you. The "gang" mentality only results if you give people a reason to shit on you. Everybody was new here at some point. I've been posting here nearly 9 years and nobody has ever ganged up on me and there have been times I've said some pretty stupid shit.
Because you were trying to use "Sanchez is the starter" excuse to downplay the obvious connection that the game is Prime Time because of Newton and Tebow. It is the only prime time game for both team and that is the obvious connection between both and it's also very interesting that usually the 3rd preseason game is typically the "starters" game. This is an entertainment business and match-ups and rivalries are a part of it. These are hand picked, and placed into TV slots, not coincidences. I'm trying to explain to you why certain games are picked as prime time games. Popularity and expected TV ratings. And yeah all things considering I think it's going to drive huge ratings imo, preseason or not. People will care about it even if it is a preseason game. Why are you trying to downplay it? People are excited to watch Hard Knocks for Christ's sake and that's mainly the offseason...people do care.
You say that those who dont think Tebow is anything more than a wildcat QB, and shouldnt be anything more than that are just regurgitating everything that those like Stephen A. Smith say, meanwhile it can easily be said that you are just spitting out the same shit that Skip Bayless says. You say you are as objective as it gets, yet you are only looking at it from that “Skip Bayless” POV. Thats not objective. You are only looking at it from a fan of Tebow’s POV and not a fan of the Jets. You say you are a fan of Tebow and know a lot about Tebow? Okay. But the majority of TGG know a ton about the JETS and the entire team because they are passionate about the TEAM. You may know what is best for Tebow, but the majority here know what is best for this team. I would say that a person who knows a lot about an entire team would be more of an authority than one who just knows about a single player really well... If you want to continue posting here, I would advise that you learn about the entire team rather than tell us about Tebow because those kind of posters are the ones that dont last long.
No I'm not. If Skip Bayless knew half the things I know about Tebow and his football playing style he would be talking about them in his show and would be able to shut up half the critics. He knows some things, but very little and invents a whole bunch of stuff for entertainment reasons and to stir the pot. He doesn't know more about football than Smith though and he has a better eye for the game. I also think he gets inside information. And I have no doubt some know a lot more about the Jets than I do but you're under the wrong impression, that I don't and all I know is Tebow or that the only thing I come here to talk about is Tebow. I'm a Patriots fan, and have been keeping up for quite some time, although obviously from a different perspective. However, when it comes to football in general, I think the more you know about football, and different styles, and different offenses, and players, and teams, that can also give you a whole lot of authority to speak on subjects. I may not know all the ins and outs of the Jets, but I have a pretty broad perspective on football as a whole. I approach it from a completely different angle. I am a fan of football, first and foremost, before I am a fan of a team or player. I love the sport itself.
You arent shutting up any of your critics here on TGG. You just dont get it because you arent a fan of this TEAM. You will never be able to make an objective decision about this football team, especially the QB position, because Tebow comes before the Jets organization in your eyes... You may not be able to control that, but it is what it is.
Well you continue to say that this is a “co-quarterback” situation, meanwhile it is clearly a starting QB with his back-up being a wildcat QB too. Its been announced by the organization until they were blue in the face. You just arent conceding to this notion because it doesnt fair well for your hopes of Tebow being the starting QB on this team. You are clearly not being objective when it comes to this situation and team because your interest in geared towards a single player, not the team. Many Jets fans have come to complacency with this situation because they realize that Tebow can potentially help the team IF used in a correct manner (many are okay with it in terms of the football aspect, but when the media is factored in along with all of his followers, like you, fans may become bitter at this situation). Some fans have come around to this trade because they looked at in an objective manner simply because they just care about winning. You dont care about this TEAM winning as much as you do about Tebow playing well and being the starting QB so it is practically impossible for you to look at this situation objectively until you care about this team as much as you do Tebow.
Come on, man. Don't hijack the thread. You mentioned the Cam and Tebow reunion, and that's far enough. No need to profoundly delve into your knowledge of Tebow.
Obviously because as a Pats fan that would kind of suck for us if the Jets did well. However, that doesn't mean I can't be reasonable. And if Tebow's ever to "play well" to the point where it would easily be noticeable by the casual fan, it would be impossible without the team playing well. Else you'll have a repeat of a low scoring conservative offense who doesn't turn over the ball. That's not what I expect here, and the reason I am excited is because I believe the Jets are a much better team overall than the Broncos, and along with Tim, will really push to shake things up in the NFL. I also believe they have one of the better defenses in the NFL and I happen to like Rex as a personality and as a defensive coach. As far as being objective, if you really wanna be honest about it, there's no way in hell die hard fans of a team are ever going to be objective about their team or players. And a large part of Mark Sanchez supporters and veteran Jets fans are very much attached to their starting QB, just like any other fan base and aren't any more objective in the manner. They're already CONVINCED that the only way Tebow would win the job is because of his popularity or "Tebowites" and fear that. However, it also depends on your personal integrity and the reason you watch football. I ultimately believe in competition and I love to see the best team and the best man win. And while I very much like and pull for Tebow, I wouldn't want him to do it in any other way....by proving he's the better man for the job, which will no doubt benefit the team. It wouldn't do anyone any good for Tebow to be the only one doing well, including Tebow himself. If he wins the job, then falls flat on his face and doesn't win football games, what good does that do?
How did you go from me saying Sanchez is the starter to Tebow not playing? Making up words from me to force an argument. You just compared Hard Knocks to the preseason? They are nothing alike. Hard Knocks shows you something you don't see from your team. You learn more about personalities and the players and the decisions. Its like an inside pass to what goes on behind closed doors. It is NOTHING like the preseason. The preseason is good for seeing backups who might be able to contribute and who played well enough to be on the team and not the PS. You cannot seriously think Hard Knocks is close to the preseason. Please tell me that was exaggeration to try and prove a point.
