It's not that bad at all. We didn't lose anyone from last year, we added Tebow and Landry, and we still have the draft to pick up a decent OLB/RG/WR.
The upcoming season might indeed make us Sick but all I can say is The thought of LAST SEASON still makes me sick :sad:
Well, that's part of the issue.... Last year sucked. So most agreed we need a FS, RT WR, RB and Pass Rusher to fix last year. And what did we add - a Gimmick QB, an injury probe SS and injury prone WR who has never done anything... But, no fear cuz the draft will fill all the holes.
I made the original post, and the numbers are correct. They compare Mark Sanchez's last 16 starts to Tim Tebow's last 16 starts. The argument that Sanchez only played one year in college is nullified by the fact that he had 2 years in the pros prior to last season which is better experience than Tebow had prior to his first 16 starts. Mark had 580 rushes and pass attempts last season. Tebow had 551 rushes and pass attempts in his 16 starts. My point stands. Tebow doesn't score as many touchdowns, but he is more careful with the football. Sanchez is in a very bad spot. I don't think acquiring Tebow was a Publicity Stunt. Rex and Sporano both want a run first offense. Then one of the best rushing QB's in the NFL became available. I believe Rex and co. are being honest when they say this is a football move. I think they're being dishonest when they act like this is no threat to Sanchez. Prior to Tebow, all we heard during the off season was about how some Jets though Mark was coddled, sucked, etc. Holmes borderline quit on the team in the last game. If Mark does not improve this year, there is no reason for the Jets not to start Tebow. Heck they would even be justified in starting him day one. He offers similar offensive production, fewer turnovers, a better run game, and much better intangibles.
:lol: Hunter is awful. If they don't replace him, it won't matter who starts. In fact, if they start hunter we better start sanchez, because the last thing you want is Tebow getting blindsided all game. Explain how this is Mark's fault: [YOUTUBE]fLpimht0tUM[/YOUTUBE]
The problem with starting Tebow is that he caps the Jets offense in a big way. The secondary problem is that Bill Belichik is going to make a Tebow led Jet offense look like a Pee-Wee Football team. Both concerns are going to cause the Jets to flop back and forth between the two QB's on a regular basis once Sanchez loses the job. If Tim Tebow was actually capable of running an NFL offense well there would have been a real bidding war for his services. Where the price wound up actually represents an overbid by both teams.
Tebow played well in the first game against the Pats. He was Pretty bad in the playoff game against them. Being down 35-7 at halftime doesnt help. Sanchez has put up a stinker or two against the pats as well.
If you go back and look at the playoff game against the Pats, the way they stopped Denver was by running a 5-2 defense that McCoy just didn't anticipate and couldn't do anything against. Basically, McCoy didn't know wtf he was doing with an Option or spread offense. He got his plays by watching college football games and going "hey, that might work" and by talking to players who had option experience. In this regard, option football is just like any other kind of offense in that certain plays should be run against specific defenses, while other plays won't be as successful. It's no different than when a I formation team plays against a 4-3 one week and a 3-4 the week after, or if a team switches from a 3-4 to a 4-3 mid game. You have to make adjustments to face the different scheme. McCoy simply didn't.
You are assuming that they will do the EXACT same thing Denver did (which was horrible, it was basically Tebow left, Tebow middle, Magahee right etc then go to spread in last 5 minutes). I wonder what Belichoke will do when Tebow lines up next to Mark...fun times ahead for you guys...
He has film of Tebow as a starting QB in Denver...not as the wildcat QB in NY. That's the whole thing they keep stressing: Teams are going to have to prepare for Sanchez and Tebow. Personally I'm not even a fan of Wildcat offense and trick plays. About the trickiest play I like is a QB sneak or a bootleg run in for a TD (which Sanchez does pretty well). Still, having a wildcat guy who combines good running ability with the ability to throw is something any team running a wildcat offense would like to have. As long as he is capable of reading how the defense is reacting it will be a positive thing.
He has film on Mark Sanchez too. The Pats embarrassed us in 2010, when Sanchez had some very good WR's. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20101206017 It was very similar to what happened to the broncos in the playoffs, except Tebow turned the ball over less than Sanchez did. Which is sort of my overall point. It's not that Tebow is AWESOME, it's just that there isn't much difference between Sanchez and Tebow as far as offensive production.
Your stat analysis leaves out several key parts. First of all, Tebow's ypa on passes went down from 2010 to 2011. Adding in 2010 skews the numbers upward. Why his ypa went down is speculative, but I would guess it has to do with opponents becoming familiar with his game. Comparing Tebow's rushing numbers to Sanchez's is unfair. Sanchez pretty much only rushes the ball as a designed play in short yardage, on sneaks and dives. Tebow is usually running it either as a designed call or as an option. Apples and oranges. While Tebow's ypc number is definitely better, it is an unfair and inapplicable comparitor. When the Broncos called Tebow to run it, that meant one of their RB's was not. Not a parallel to the Jets' situation. Adding in Tebow's rushing numbers also skews the fact that he only averaged a bit over 123 yds passing in the regular season last year, almost a hundred yards less than Sanchez. To Denver's credit they had success running it, but that tends to open up the passing game, and that will improve your ypa in passing, all things being equal. Yet... Denver did not pass the ball to take full advantage of that. Why? Because Tebow could not complete passes with consistency. Take for example the fact that Tebow had 6 completions to Sanchez's only 2 of over forty yards, regular season last year. In roughly only half as many attempts. Sounds like a stat in Tebow's favor, but... that also is skewing the ypa, and ignoring that the Jets were using a possession game to manage the clock and not make too many risky passes down field. (FTR I am all for using the vertical game to take pressure off the running game, and I am dubious of Sanchez's downfield game. But if we are only talking stats, yours leaves out the effect of long plays on ypa and by extension the effect a low completion passer has on the possession game.) Over Tebow's last four games, he had 31 rushing attempts and gained 119 yards. That is less than four yards a carry, and off from his lifetime average. this suggests again that opposing D's are figuring out how to stop him. Should I go on?
Best mail so far. I think tebowmania is what Rex has always wanted. An offense that give defense a rest, low turnover, grinding run first , weather proof. Why Sanchez in the first place is the quiz he should be answering.
it more like most people don't feel they have to lower their IQ's down to a idiots level to know the tebow train wreck is a bad decision. he caught teams off guard last season like the wildcat caught teams off guard, but like both, they be figured out and useless after a season of study. the chances of tebow doing the miracle comebacks of last season are just about nill, and gods got nothing to do with it!
dont start jets knockin threads my man ,this is the rose tinted glasses forum .. The only thing missing so far is Groucho Marx ,but we have plenty of time
That was probably the play where Sanchez got hurt. This Jets management team may understand at some level that you have to keep the QB's shirt clean if you want to win but they keep breaking down and letting turnstile level holes open up on the offensive line. I think the fundamental problem is that the Jets talent acquisition schemes are all based on marketing players at this point and offensive linemen just aren't marketable at the same level that offensive playmakers and defensive players are. The Jets have a long-term plan that is inconsistent with long-term success and incapable of even a short burst of greatness.
Had nothing to do with adjustments. Any variation of the option offense in the NFL doesn't work long-term because of the speed and athleticism of the players. It's an easy offense to stop for coaches and coordinators who know what they're doing. There's a reason it's a dinosaur at the NFL level. The Patriots ran a 3-4 for most of that game with Ninkovich and other OLBs working the edge. If you're going to live and die by the option offense, you're playing checkers in a chess tournament. I'm not making this stuff up. It's pretty much well-known fact.
