He doesn't need to be elite with the defense we have. If he can become top 10 it will be more than sufficient. Signing Manning or trading away our future would open up way more holes and if the oline isn't addressed, getting an "elite" QB would be pointless.
So because the Jets have had some bad draft picks they should trade away a shitload of early picks for one early pick? What is the logic in that? Wouldn't you want to have more picks to work with if you have trouble hitting on the ones you do make?
all b/c of one Eli comment we hear about QBs needing to be elite. Eli isn't elite and has won 2 SBs, Eli was worse than Sanchez early in his career. an elite QB will help but last I checked Peyton is elite and has just 1 SB, Marino was elite and has none. We were on the doorstep of the SB 2 years in a row w/ Mark and we didn't lose either title game b/c of him.
That's a good point. Because we have a brilliant accountant as our GM we should load up on picks to make sure we hit on a couple of them. Tannenbaum trades out of picks all the time. Tannenbaum has restructured us into cap hell for years to come. In fairness to Tannenbaum, we had a new stadium to fill and he tried to get us over the hump in 08 and 09 and wasn't able to do it. We are in decline and this team needs to make some major moves. Also regarding trading up, for Andrew luck or RG3, it might be worth it. For Mark Sanchez not so much. Those are football decisions and Mike Shanahan might be a better evaluator of that value than Tannenbaum.
The Jets have never been in cap hell under Tanny's watch despite numerous predictions of the impending doom. Shanahan was awesome when he had John Elway. Every GM misses on some draft picks. That's why it's best to have more of them to hedge your bets instead of mortgaging your future on one guy.
Mike Shanahan?:lol: The guy who has won exactly ONE playoff game w/o Elway and Terrell Davis? Come on.
Just a couple of points: the Jets gave up very little for Sanchez. Of the players they traded Kenyon Coleman and Abram Elam remain serviceable parts in a 3-4 but not even above average players overall. Brett Ratliff is a practice squad QB. So that makes the premium a 2nd round pick and a few roleplayers, which is a ridiculously small price to pay to draft a starting QB. The main consideration of course is the way the Jets used Sanchez after they acquired him. Taking a guy with one and half seasons starting experience at the NCAA level and handing him the job in the NFL is a risky proposition no matter how you look at it. Running a weird hybrid system that nobody but the offensive coordinator really understands while you do that is pushing the inexperience thing to the max. Frequently changing out players around that young guy while he tries to deal with the fact that he doesn't really have enough experience to be starting just yet? That's insane. I think Sanchez has done very well for himself and the Jets considering all the things that have been working against him in the process. People like to say he was handed the keys to a Cadillac to drive when he showed up in the NFL but that Cadillac was an off-beat hybrid that the local mechanic had tinkered with until it was almost beyond recognition. The owner of the car kept changing out parts on him looking for something to rev the engine up and many of them didn't work right off the bat. And in truth he didn't really have all that much experience driving a Cadillac, just that one season in college. If the Jets stick with Sanchez and slow everything down organizationally he's still going to be a very good QB in my opinion. If they keep throwing things over their shoulder after a season or two and trying to improve the mix then he's not. A fish rots at the head and the QB is about at shoulder level on an NFL team.
You notice the holes growing on the roster and the cap money to fill them probably isn't there for anything other than a "hold the fort guy". We keep restructuring to push it out and it is catching up. Yes I agree having more picks is good but when the league keeps changing the rules to push the passing game having an elite qb is also good, very good. Now Sanchez may develop in spite of the fact that we drafted him and did a poor job of developing him if he can be developed? We better hope that's the case because right now it looks like he is a guy who isn't going to be an elite QB based on the top veterans or the young guns that are on their way up.
The Jets aren't in cap hell yet and they won't get there unless something happens and the projected increases in the cap over the next 3 seasons fail to occur. This season is a tight squeeze for the team and next season will probably be pretty tight also. If I were the Jets I would concentrate on getting cheap talent out of the draft over the next two seasons. That's the best antidote for a potentially poisonous cap situation.
Another direct consequence of that decision is the locker room tensions we've seen. Imagine if in your line of work the management decided to name some kid fresh out of college as team leader, making everyone lose money and market value as he slowly learned the job. Obviously management would have to "coddle" him during the learning process, encouraging him despite mistakes that would get other people fired. Now imagine if this job is your only shot at making money in your life and the average career lasts 2-3 years. They put the kid in a position to be universally loathed.
True that the Jets haven't been in "cap hell" per se, but to avoid it, they did did have to drop some core guys last year that in retrospect, certainly hurt them.
The Jets have the 17th most cap money in the league heading into free agency, which puts them squarely in the middle of the pack in terms of cap space. The idea that we're in "cap hell" is fine with me so long as you consider 2/3 of the league in this "cap hell".
I have always backed Tanny and his cap skills. I don't know what the projected increase in cap would be for the next few years, but if it's not huge, I can easily see us unloading talent in cap moves. Scott and Pace are guaranteed to be off the team in 2013. We will not be heavy spenders in 2013 even with those moves. Being under the cap doesn't mean you are not in cap hell. I'd define cap hell as being within cap limits, but having to star two below average LBs in order to remain under cap along with other cheap salaried starters. I've heard that there will be a huge increase in cap in 2014. I hope that's true. There won't be another uncapped season where Tanny can unload several big contracts without taking a single penny as a cap hit. You've got to admit, that bailed us out. Maybe Tanny planned it that way, but it's not going to happen again.
Its not exactly "cap hell" but its certainly not "cap health". I was looking on the Jets cap page and I couldn't help notice that there were 5 Jet players with dead money numbers (money that would be deleted from the Jets cap if they were cut) of OVER $20MM plus 2 more in the high teens. For better or worse, I think Tanny has been running a well thought out Ponzi scheme with the Jets cap space. No question he has been very skillful at it, but like Bernie Madolf, eventually it will start to fall apart Even Jet fans should have seen the effects in 2011 when the Jets did little more in FA than sign some of their own FA's (including the horrible Holmes and Hunter contracts). You could see again when, despite some glaring holes, they HAD to leave $8MM in cap space, unspent, because it was needed to cover salary increases in 2012. You can see the desperation increasing this off season when you see the continuing pattern of restructures made necessary so the Jets can even peripheral players in this FA period. But even with the 13MM the Jets have left after the Pouha signing, after deducting the cost of draft picks, in season reserve, and signing or replacing their own FA, there will be very little left to actually upgrade at RT and WR - 2 of the more obvious needs There are still some Jet fans who think that when a player "restructures" the cap money saved miraculously disappears. That there is no consequence for that action. The D'Brick restructure is a good example. Now, and for the next 6 years D'Brick's cap number is increase by close to $3MM. And what makes it worse is it was done after a year when his play regressed What if it simply wasn't a "bad year", just a "hiccup". What if it was a sign to what's to come. That's a huge risk that if, for some reason he had to cut now, he'd cost the Jets in $24MM. Of course that isn't going to happen, but that dead money number only goes down $3MM/yr, so 3 years from now if D'Brick is done, its still a huge hit. And there are 7 other players in a similar situation. On most teams, Santonio Holmes would be gone after his antics last season. However on the Jets he CAN'T be cut. Its fiscally impossible. What makes it worse is HE knows it. So your proven cancer (remember he was run out of Pittsburgh because he was a dick there as well) knows that he is more likely to stay with the team over the next 3 years than the HC or GM. Santonio can tell Tanny or Rex to go F themselves and they have to take it, or risk having $20MM in dead money hit the team. How's that going to contribute to creating a healthy locker room, when one of the key problems can't be controlled. And lets take it a bit farther. Lets say Tanny manages to make until the 2014 season, when the cap is reportedly going to expand by about $40MM. Is that a win for the Jets. A lot of Tanny's contract cost were designed to increase that year, and while the Jets will probably still be under the cap, they will be a lot less under the cap than most of their opponents. In other words, at a competitive DISADVANTAGE. BOTTOM LINE- you can postpone "cap hell".,... but not forever, and not without consequences. Other than that......have a nice day.
This is a giant block of shit that nobody wants to read. I can't believe you took the time to write this LOL
