This is a real possibility. More likely he'd get grabbed by the 49ers or the Seahawks though. Fitting Sanchez in under the cap as a backup QB would be basically impossible and he'd likely want to go somewhere the team was signing him as a starter anyway.
Yes the whole league is laughing at us. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! and furthermore.. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!! /sarcasm off Good grief....Can you please stop it with assuming what OTHERS think of the Jets and Us already? I mean who gives a shit what others think? You're reminding me too much of these guys with your attitude : With respect, why don't you tell US how many passes since you seemed to know? Were you actually counting?
Alex Smith was the 1st overall pick for the niners during the "old system". It looks like they're playing hardball with him and his contract is expiring. Right now Sanchez and Smith are probably playing at a similar level. Smith threw 17 TDs and 5 picks and "led" his team to the NFC title game. I just disagree with you about how much the Jets need him. I also disagree with rewarding someone for potential, what he might do. He should be paid for being the player he is, not what he might become.
Aside from the fact that Alex Smith is going into his 8th year in the league and is a free agent, his situation is exactly the same as Sanchez's situation.
There's no need for a plan now is there? But hypothetically, at the very least I wanted there to be a legitimate QB competition. Make Sanchez compete for and earn the starting job. This is probably where we differ and that's OK. I think he is not a good leader, and he's not a great player right now. And with the locker room situation, if he earns the job fair and square, I think all the players rally around him. Just paying him and giving him some more security doesn't gain your teammates respect in my opinion. Granted there aren't great free agent QBs out there, I'll give you that. But for the discussion, I would have kept Mark, signed Orton, Campbell or Garrard and let them compete for the job. Matt Flynn would be an intriguing young player to compete for the job, but he will probably be too expensive for his "potential".
Yeah, I get it, he's older and I already said his contract is expiring. I'm aware of it. Thanks. There's more to the discussion than that. Earlier you mentioned the old rookie scale and I disagree that it should apply at all to a 2nd or 3rd contract. In a 2nd contract I disagree with rewarding someone for what they might do. I disagree with you about the amount of money in Sanchez's extension. You could share your opinion on that.
I think you're confusing me with someone else, but that aside ... You understand that this move benefits the Jets and they still can get rid of him pretty easily after the 2013 season, right? It's not like we just committed to 5 more years of Sanchez. It's basically a one year extension that gives the Jets immediate cap relief while allowing them to re-evaluate there investment under a new offensive coordinator. There's a HUGE difference between a new contract for a guy in his 8th year and a 4th year QB getting an extension. The 4th year guy is still has developing to do. You know what you have in the 8th year guy.
There really isn't a whole lot more with that. Smith has been around 6 years and just had his good year, and he's still going to get $10+ mil a year. He's never had 20 TDs in a year like Sanchez did in year 3. The 49ers want to pay for the player he is, not the player he'll become like you said, because after 6 years in the league, it's much easier to make a more accurate long-term judgment on a guy than after 3... So basically, a guy who has been around 6 years and done nothing until last year (where he was barely asked to do anything) is going to make as much as Sanchez. That's the going rate for QBs like that. Look at what Kolb got last year, look at what Flynn is going to get. Basically, we're investing in Sanchez one more year, which makes a ton of sense, since we were going to basically do it anyway. We traded guaranteed money in 2013 for cap room this year, but if Sanchez improves at all, he was going to be guy in 2013 anyway, and we have him locked on a fair contract for us until 2016. Smith has leverage because he's a free agent coming off his best year. Sanchez has leverage because he's still on his rookie deal, where he got overpaid to begin with because of the system. He has no reason to take less money, but a restructure like this makes sense for him, and if he does take a big step forward, we're saving ourselves a lot of money down the road. If he doesn't, there's limited risk.
Oops. Ha ha ha. Sorry about that, maybe you didn't mention the rookie wage scale, somebody else did. Anyway, I understand the cap relief for this year, yes, but I think we're locked into him until 2013, not 2012. His salary for both years is guaranteed. We could cut him after 2012 but we'd have to eat it. If you are OK with 2 more years then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Philosophically I just don't feel he's earned anything more (actually I don't feel he's earned his rookie money yet either), especially with 2 years remaining on his deal. I agree with you Smith is older and further along in his career, so yes it's a different situation. It will be interesting to see what Smith gets and I'm sure Sanchez's deal and Fitzpatrick's deal are factoring into it. You know the middle of the road QBs. That's where I see these guys, our QB included. Bottom half of the league.
The thing is, we were locked into him through 2012 anyway, unless we were just going to be foolishly reactionary and dump him. Has Sanchez "earned" an extension? No. But this is more of a trade-off. Jets save money this year. Sanchez earns money in 2013. If Sanchez plays well, the Jets make out like bandits because not only will they save money in 2012, but in 2014-16 as well. If Sanchez plays poorly, then they'll have a decision to make next year, but for just one more year of guaranteed money, the Jets could probably find a taker in a trade.
Very fair and rational analysis. It will be interesting to see what Smith gets. I don't think he deserves 10 million a year the same way I don't feel Sanchez deserves that. Maybe that's where we'll agree to disagree. Kolb certainly didn't deserve the contract he got, I thought it was ridiculous at the time.
ignoring all the financial ramifications of the deal.. no talk about cap space and all that. are you guys happy that we guaranteed sanchez being the starter for the next 2 years?
Yes. I guess some people would have preferred a Chad Henne signing and the resulting QB controversy it might have spawned. I believe the Parcells statement is true: a team with two starting QB's has no starting QB's. For all the warts Sanchez is still one of the best crunch time QB's the Jets have had. I think Vinny was about as clutch as Sanchez has been but he was 35 years old and had been in the NFL for 13 years by the time he got there for us. I'm excited to see what a young guy who has those kind of attributes turns into.
The Jets can't afford Flynn and he is going to go somewhere as the starter - Miami, Cleveland, or Seattle. If Manning goes to Arizona, Kolb will also be on the market. Who says under these circumstances that the Jets won't sign somebody like Orton or Campbell or Garrard as the back up. One or two of these guys is going to have to take a job as a back up somewhere. The Jets need to upgrade the back up QB spot, not because I think Sanchez needs or deserves competition, but because they need someone who can come in and win games in case Sanchez goes down. I could also see Henne being an option. Of course, the Jets can't spend big money on any of these guys. They have too many other holes to fill. There just is not much out there. Besides the guys you named, there are Rex Grossman (Was) Donovan McNabb (FA) Chris Redman (ATL) Derek Anderson (CAR) Caleb Hanie (CHI) Josh McCown (CHI) Shaun Hill (DET) Drew Stanton (DET) Brady Quinn (DEN) Jake Delhomme (HOU) Jeff Garcia (HOU) Dan Orlovsky (IND) Luke McCown (JAC) Chad Henne (MIA) JP Losman (MIA) Sage Rosenfels (MIA) David Carr (NYG) Mark Brunell (NYJ) Kevin O'Connell (NYJ) Kyle Boller (OAK) Vince Young (PHI) Charlie Batch (PIT) Dennis Dixon (PIT) Byron Leftwich (PIT) Charlie Whitehurst (SEA) Kellen Clemens (STL) A.J. Feeley (STL) Josh Johnson (TB) Have a party with that crew.
Now correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't read the entire thread. But on the whole I think this is pretty good deal for the Jets. You were never really in the Manning debate. You were never really in position to move up and get one of the 2 elite QB picks in this draft. So Sanchez was going to be your QB this season at LEAST. Now, I've be critical of your FO management style as you all know, but in this case I think he did a good job. As I read it, for guaranteeing about $3MM more dollars, the Jets can get rid of Sanchez after the 2013 season if they aren't happy with his performance. PLUS they get some cap relief this season. Not a bad trade at all. If the league is laughing its because Sanchez is your QB, not because of this rather savvy deal. I would however like to know what kind of dead money hit the Jets would take if they let him go after the 2013 season.
So I was listening to the Tannenbaum interview with Dave Rothenberg on ESPN.com and he said something very interesting right at the end. He said he and the Jets evaluated Sanchez based on the most important stat which is wins and then there was a throwaway at the end of the line. He said "and of course having a good, healthy right tackle." It was the first time I've heard the Jets refer to the Hunter situation in 2011 at all and it suggests to me that the Jets understood the Hunter problem existed and also that maybe Hunter was not fully healthy last year. That might explain why they picked up the option on Hunter, expecting him to be fully healthy next season and in theory improved over his play in 2011. It doesn't explain the Hunter trade rumors now but it maybe plays into why Hunter got retained when the Jets had to make a decision, possibly before they had all the info on his condition. The other thing of course is that Damien Woody was in the studio as one of the co-hosts and maybe Tannenbaum was just throwing him a compliment and trying to explain why the Jets let him go last year.
