Couldn't we just sign someone decent who can hold down the fort and find a receiver like Wallace or Antonio Brown in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft instead of drafting retards like Vladimir Ducasse?
This draft is very deep with receivers, throwing away our #1 would be dumb plus how are we going to afford him? Braylon Edwards is a much better option, plus I just don't see Pittsburgh getting rid of him. Either way we still draft a receiver in the later round. Braylon + Holmes + Kerley plus draft pick = solid WR core, plus tons of future potential. We absolutely need our first round pick this year.
Two problems with signing Mike Wallace. Not only do we have to give up a 1st round pick but then we have to pay him a monster contract. If we are going to pay to that kind of money why not do it on a FA that we do not have to give up a pick for? Whats the point of signing a WR without a QB to throw him the ball. Its like buying artwork for a blind man. Put Wallace on the Jets and he will become another Holmes. Once we get a QB that can throw and complete balls into tight coverage, can throw receivers open and can stand in the pocket and make plays then a WR may be concern. But right now it would be a complete waste.
No thanks. We do need a deep threat but we have other issues we need to adress first and that would be giving up way to much for a receiver that had one good break out year. Has it come to that the jets just pick up the steelers left over receivers. Bring back bray if healthy and pick up someone in the draft with some size. Sanchez doesnt push the ball down the field anyway so whats the point.
I'm so on the fence with trading picks,man. I want to build through the draft but my confidence in our scouts is shaky,at best. The guy's a beast, there's no denying that, but i'd rather go defense and pick up a wideout in the 2nd.
Is Wallace worth the #16 overall pick? Yes. Does it make sense for the Jets? No. This team simply does not have the money to invest in Wallace, nor is WR enough of a need to warrant this move. I'd rather take a chance on Braylon's health and draft a Safety or pass rushing OLB in round 1.
WR is definitely not where the Jets need to break the bank. Hopefully they can reconcile things with Braylon and bring him back, which would probably cost about 1/10 of what Wallace would, then draft a WR in the 3rd-5th round. Having two WRs with monster contracts would also make it pretty unlikely that they would be able to keep them both for very long and the revolving door at WR would continue.
Wallace reminds be a bit of the young Wesley Walker and I'd love to get him, but we have a lot of money tied up in the position with Holmes and more pressing needs to spend that much on.
I agree with this. We need to get stronger up front on both sides of the ball and prove that we have a functional passing game before it makes sense to sign anyone like wallace and give up a 1st rounder. All this would do is put more pressure on Sanchez to get someone else the ball. Until either Sanchez proves he has made that next step or we get a quarterback in here that we know can toss the ball around I would stay away from bringing in any big name wide receivers. If we are going to give Sanchez his best shot then we have to develop that position through the draft this year. Not necessarily in rd 1 but we need to get some talent in here thats young and wants to make a name in this league not someone who is already a star and will not be happy if he doesnt get the ball.
Without a doubt Barry was one of the best ever. Its disgraceful that during his career Detroit never went OL in the first round. But how does this apply to Foster? Our run D is not nearly as bad as Detroit's was. And IMO Arian isn't just a product of a good O-Line, the guy is crazy good... not to mention, he's a very intelligent and high character person (check out his twitter)
No, I complained that some in here are stupid and have no clue how to distribute their available resources in any kind of a coherent manner. I think you've really reinforced that claim with your posts about this subject now and placed yourself right at the top of the list of people my original post was directed at. First of all, we could sign 10-12 million worth of stud free agents (aside from 5 million rookies, 3-4 million pouha, maybin, etc). Eric Smith leaves 1.5 million free money dangling around. Everytime you draft a player or free agent you drop a minimum contract...Should be another 3-4 million right there. That just about covers your rookies and Maybin give or take half a million. 3-4 million for Pouha, 10-12 million (which is a ridiculous assertion that I never made by the way) for stud free agents= 16 million high side needed to do what you claim is so ridiculous. Well, since we currently have 7 million in cap space and Tanny has already come out saying there is 10 million left in Sanchez/Cro/Holmes restructures...that would be more than enough to cover everything that you trollishly claim that can't be done this offseason. Let me try to explain how wrong you are in this way since anything but spelling it out obviously ain't gonna get through: Not only are you ignoring the reason that Mike Wallace is a retarded idea and safeties are a good idea, you somehow think that the real reason that your logic is totally backwards is because we couldn't do either of these things and you're just frolicking in a field with Mike Wallace to get your cheeks all nice and flush. But we can do any of the things you say we can't anyway. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Of course the joke is that I had no intention of signing Branch AND Griffin. It was Branch OR Griffin AND someone else that is competent. So probably realistically 7-8 mil for the two safeties and we wouldn't have to get leveraged to the max to do so. The difference between my suggestion and your suggestion is that my suggestion makes the Jets a well rounded and complete team for next year (although admittedly it may create flexibility problems for the future years). Your suggestion makes the Jets totally screwed for this year, and every other year. The problem is that we CAN sign Wallace if Tanny's IQ drops below 50, not that we can't. You sign Wallace and lose a first...NOW you can't sign safeties (which is what we really need). Oh, also you lost your first round pick for that cheap rookie stud passrusher you were counting on. Also....your oline and QB are big ??'s and you have no resources left to shore them up. Der, O Hai Guyzzzzzz, we got da Mike Wallace!!!! Vroom Vroom. But yeah, I don't understand the cap issues...could be that too.
8 million? Are you serious? You do realize they could franchise tag him for LESS than 8 million...and they're not going to do that...maybe it's because they're looking to pay 12 million for him? Ok so let's assume you're "right" and they have to pay him 6 million, (which is the absolute max they should commit to him). that would be 2 million more than what I was working with...which I already pointed out we have more than 2 million left over. So what is your point exactly? P.S. also they have these situations in contracts where sometimes they sign the guy to two or three years at once instead of just one year. When that happens, the guy gets paid less in the first year. Teams sometimes like to write these types of contracts when they have a player that contributes a lot to their team and they want that player to continue making those contributions, (cue age criticisms in 3.2.1...).
Yea, 7.9 is a lot less than 8. :wink: Pouha will probly cost more thna 3 or 4 depending on the guarentees we offer and lengeth of contract. I'm guessing he lands himself in the 5 to 6 range. Lass than tagging him at 7.9, but much more than he made last season.
The point is that the Jets weren't even CLOSE to wanting to pay him the 7.9...you can be damn sure people on this board would have a 14 page thread somewhere debating the merits of tagging Pouha if the thought weren't so ridiculous. They're not paying 8 for him, and they're not paying 7. I seriously doubt they want to pay him 6 unless it's a 1 year deal AND they either feel extremely confident about Ellis or they feel like he doesn't have two good years left to give, (I don't see how they can be confident enough in either of those things being true to not try to lock him up for at least two years if they're going to commit 6 million to him for 1 anyway...see the point? Just because he could go for 6 million/1 year theoretically doesn't mean it would ever actually happen because the dynamic isn't there that the Jets are going to want to make that offer preferring a solid two year offer in that instance. Never play a dominated strategy game theory 101. ). That said, yes 3-4 is probably more what I'm hoping he'll end up signing for rather than what he will. 4-5 or 4-5.5 is probably a more realistic range you'll get no argument there when pressed. If anybody wants to take the over on a Pouha's year one cap hit bet, I'd love take the under on 5.5 if you want. You win if he signs over somewhere else too!
I said 5 to 6, so my low end is under 5.5 in and of itself. I think one thing we all can easly agree on is that we do not want to lose his play or leadership.
You seem to have quite a reasonable handle on Pouha's contract. Never said you didn't. I do think you could skew your estimate down a little from 6 for previously stated reasons but I'm aware that's a small magnitude of importance compared to thinking we're just gonna go plunk down 8 million for this guy for one year. With Pouha on the team we're coming to your town. We'll help you party down. Or...Me and Pouha, we couldn't care few-a
I'm not sure how this turned into a pouha debate, but I'm worried we're not going to be able to sign him. If any one of the 7 teams with $30+ million in cap space (BUF, CIN, DEN, JAX, KC, TEN, WAS) decides they want the best interior run stuffing d-linemen available on the market, we won't be able to compete.
