ROTFLMAO. I think you need to broaden your horizons beyond New Jersey and check out the QBs in the rest of NFL so that you can see what young QBs have truly done "historically". Phillip Rivers made the Pro Bowl as a first year starter (2nd yr). Jay Cutler made the Pro Bowl as a second year starter (2nd yr). Peyton Manning has been elite since about his third year in the league. Brady and Roethlisberger showed they were elite by their second season as starters. Aaron Rodgers was a Pro Bowler by his second or third year starting. Drew Brees didn't start his first year, but he was named to the Pro Bowl and took his team to the playoffs in his third year of starting. Until this past season, Eli Manning has been considered somewhat of a disappointment as a former #1 draft pick, and yet even he was better as a third year QB than Sanchez. Sanchez's uninspiring play as a third year starter doesn't bode well for him in the future. After 50+ starts, he's no better than he was after 25 starts. That's pretty poor. ROTFLMAO. Really? Then why start him as a rookie? Why not sit him and let him watch and learn? Sanchez actually looked decent for a rookie QB. He has regressed since about the middle of the 2010 season. That's called "hitting his ceiling" because DCs have figured out he can't read defenses. Oh, yeah, it's all Schottenheimer's fault. Who are you going to blame next season? Ummm ... try again, sweetpea, and stop making up crap. Kevin Gilbride has been the Giants' OC since 2004. Eli Manning was drafted in 2004, so he never had another OC as a pro!!! :rofl2: Moreover, Gilbride has been an OC for more than 15 years while Sparano's OC experience consists of calling plays for a few games while he worked as the OL coach for Parcells in Dallas. I'm sure that Dolphins fans laugh every time they hear you Jets fans wax poetic over the offensive prowess of Tony Sparano!
I can rip the rest of your post up fairly easily, but I'll start with this one. Gilbride did not take over as the Giants OC until 2007 sweet pea. So, you should stop making up crap.
Big Ben was elite in his second year... Lets see 168 comp, 63%, 2,385 yards 17 tds, 9 ints 98.6 qb rating. HOLY fuck how did he not get nfl mvp that season Ill even add in his 3rd season 280 comp 59.7% 3513yds, 18 tds, 23 ints, 75.4 qb rating. Again voted unanimously nfl MVP How about his 15th season 281 comp , 3300 yards, 17 tds, 15 ints, 80 qb rating, 14 fumbles... as he a lock for his 3rd uniamous NFL mvp voting. And Rivers second year I was very VERY impressed with him. 12 completions 54.5% completion 115 yards 1 td and 3 ints with a qb rating of 50.4 Unanimously selected to the probowl for the greatest season ever for a QB. Aaron Rodgers was 27 in his 3rd year starting. Brees barely had 3000 passing in his 3rd season, and he was so so good that he lost in the playoffs... to who ? Oh yeah the fucking Jets. And Eli was way wayy better than mark in his 3rd season. Less passing yards, less tds, same # of INTs , and thats before including marks additional 6 rushing tds. You obviously are a complete fucking moron who pulls every and anything out of his ass, if youre gonna make shit up at least make up shit that someone cant prove wrong in 30 seconds by typing it into google you dumbass. Oh and another thing fucking retard, Brees didnt make the probowl in his 3rd year as starter, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Pro_Bowl#Offense He lost out to Steve McNair, Trent Green, and Peyton Manning. I also might want to add that anyone who judges how good players are by them making the FUCKING PRO BOWL is probably a good sign that you have some sort of genetic birth defect... and full blown aids of course.
What has Sanchez regressed in? Please back it up with facts and stats. He improved his comp% all 3 years. He improved his QB rating all three years. He improved his yardage all 3 years. He improved his scoring all three years, including TD to INT ratio. I'm tired of this absolute BS that Sanchez regressed. He had 3 bad games to close the season while injured. That's not really regression. He had more TOs than last year, sure, but he also had the worst line he's ever played with, and got hit more than almost every QB in the league. That stuff takes its toll. Yes, he still needs to work on defensive reads, but what makes you think he regressed in that department? From what I've seen is that most sacks came from our Tackles getting owned, most notably Hunter, but also Ferguson. Hunter is directly responsible for him hurting his neck during the Broncos game.
"Sanchez actually looked decent for a rookie QB. He has regressed since about the middle of the 2010 season." Do you look at stats before you make matter-of-fact statements, or do you just consider his performances against your loser Bills? The guy had a passer rating of 63 his rookie year, and posted a 78.2 this year. Is he elite? No, and it's not even close. But the fact is, he accounted for more than TWICE the amount of touchdowns this year as his rookie year. To say that he has regressed is fucking retarded... and that's an understatement.
in regard to the RB position and free agency, I just don't see it happening. Guys like Hillis and probably even Bush will be out of our price range, and most of the rest of the FAs either haven't proven themselves to be better than SG/JM, or are too injury prone. I think we will consider drafting someone like Hillman or Rainey in the 4th... as long as we are able to fill areas of bigger need through FA and the first three rounds.
Not sure how a thread on the RB position got derailed into talking about Sanchez lol. RB-wise I do think it depends on how the coaches feel about McKnight. If he can wash that butter off his hands, he and Greene would complement each other nicely. If they still feel he needs another year, or even a positional change, I wouldn't mind the Jets grabbing a grinder who can also catch out of the backfield, to help give that 1-2 punch.
I'm not going to say Mark Sanchez is going to turn into Eli Manning and I get that you love to bash Sanchez and the Jets at every chance you get..but you can't really google things quickly before you state them as facts? Is it that hard? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Mark+Sanchez's+stats + http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Eli+Manning's+stats = Third year Mark Sanchez: Eli Manning: CMP: 308 - 301 ATT: 543 - 522 CMP%: 56.7 - 57.7 YDS: 3474 - 3244 AVG: 6.40 - 6.22 TDS: 26 - 24 INT: 18 - 18 Fum: 4 - 7 This is not mentioning Eli's whooping 0 Rushing tds and Sanchez's six. Was that so hard? There are more points I can nitpick, but please do some research before making yourself look like an idiot. Oh yeah and the necessary comment towards your total inability to even look something up before you so proudly claim it to be true without even checking: "ROTFLMAO. Really?"
Why is an increase in turnovers not properly viewed as a regression? The other thing you allude to is the point made about Sanchez's first two years, how he to some extent put some poor earlier performances behind him to play better toward the end, in particular in the four playoff games the team won in 09 and 10. Down the stretch this past year, with the playoffs on the line, he pretty much sucked. Is that not a regression? Worst line he ever played with was still an above average line. And he in fact did not get hit more than anyone else. nfl.com shows the Jet OL gave up 70 Qb hits last year, which is 22nd in the league, with 1st being worst. Hit more than most? The OL's of 21 other teams gave up more hits. You are flat out wrong. Perhaps what you may have been focusing on was sacks. At 40, the Jets ranked 13th. So how come an OL that is ranked 22nd for hits moves up to 13th for sacks? Because the dumbass Qb holds on to the ball too long.
Sanchez did regress in turnovers however the offensive line regressed from previous years as well. They are paralell. He does hold on to the ball too long no doubt. I attribute a lot of that to coaching and the receivers inability to get open. Plaxico Burress didn't get nearly the separation that Sanchez was used to with Edwards. Also, Sanchez wasn't rolling out nearly as often as he had in prior years - something which is a strength for him rather than a weakness. I believe Schottenheimer was trying to hammer him into the pocket passer role rather than play to Sanchez's strengths. He needs to improve without question however I believe the areas where he needs to improve are areas that are very coachable. Once he cuts down on the turnovers and makes better decisions he'll flourish.
Even though his total yards increased, his YPA has decreased. He is also a turnover machine with all his INT's and fumbles.
Wrong thread for this but I think it's really interesting that when Holmes got pulled from the game Sanchez took the Jets right down the field for a TD. Bing-bing-bing-7 pts. Holmes last year with the Steelers he was Mr Everything in the streak they were losing the season in and then kind of disappeared in the stretch at the end where they recovered from the losing streak. They traded him that winter, admittedly after he'd gotten busted toking again, but still you have to think they looked at his performance and the team's results and did not like what they saw. Edit: Holmes went 34 for 490 and 2 TD's during the 5 game losing streak that knocked the Steelers out of playoff contention that year. He went 9 for 168 and 2 during the 3 game win streak after that. He was 36 for 590 and 1 TD during the 8 game stretch where they went 6-2 at the start and had the division lead. The Steelers had to be looking at that and thinking that how Holmes played was only marginally related to how the team did that season. BTW, one really strong correlation between Holmes performance that season and last year. He wound up almost getting shut out in Miami at the end of the year, catching just 1 ball for 5 yards and a TD.
Because he improved in many categories and it can't be ignored. He regressed in YPA (Hi Schotty, hi no deep threat) and TOs (Hi Oline). That isn't complete regression, since he improved in everything I mentioned above. Passing TDs is THE most important stat for a QB. Saying he regressed because of 1 or 2 problems that were more affected by the offensive composition as a whole, while ignoring all of the categories he improved in is simply dishonest. YPA is based completely on play design. No, its not. You can find 3 games in a row in 09 (and probably 10)that Sanchez struggled just as badly, and this is also with a neck injury. Every developing QB has stretches like that, and our other offensive issues clearly made Sanchez's issues seem much worse than they actually were. Our offensive line was NOT above average last year. Nick Mangold - responsible for 2 critical turnovers that cost us the game both times. Wayne Hunter - Mr swiss cheese himself. He got owned in almost every game with basic moves. He is directly responsible for Sanchez hurting his neck. Da Brickshaw Ferguson - Had a terrible year. His pro bowl selection was a joke, he gave up more sacks than hunter and looked awful at times when guys were beating him 1 on 1. Slauson - played hurt for a large portion of the year. I don't think that's accurate. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks Sanchez was 5th in sacks taken. I believe you are mistakenly referring to our defensive sacks this year, although we finished 17th, not 13th. I have to look up the oline stats again when I have access, but there's no way the oline improved this year with the terrible pass protection they had.
I got my stats from nfl.com, which for the OL stats are season long stats for the unit as a whole. I can't specifically explain the difference between your fith and their 13th, but Sanchez played all but a handful of downs this past season, and I believe all forty sacks were of him, whereas for some of the other teams, playing more than one Qb, they would be split. But I am positive the nfl.com site says the Jets' OL was 22nd in Qb hits and 13th in sacks given up. I don't dispute the fact that there were specific issues with the Jet OL this past year. They clearly were not as good as in 09 and 10. But that does not mean they were below average. Rating 22nd in Qb hits is certainly a measure that they were above average in pass protection. Concededly the whole Jet O was less effective in the running game, and there is an indirect effect from that on the passing game, but it cannot be denied that when they lines up for a pass play, Sanchez was hit less than average. The three games in a row comment is beside the point. With the season on the line for the last three games, the playoffs there for the taking, Sanchez shit the bed for the last three games. So much for Mr. Clutch. Regressed. Regarding your opening para, I think you misunderstood my post. I clearly did not say that there wer no statistical categories in which Sanchez showed an improvement. Of course there were. I was instead noting that you cherry picked stats, leaving out stats and factors that showed regression since they did not fit your argument. I in fact have never said myself that for the season as a whole we can say across all relevant stat measuerres that Sanchez clearly regressed. What instead can be said is that in his third year he showed no real improvement, is still making the same kinds of mistakes he has in the past, does not show that he can read D's as a starting NFL Qb should, and looks as if he's hit his ceiling.
All well and swell but explain how its Holmes' fault Sanchez was completing passes to defensive lineman three yards away from him. It was like watching the special olympics.
