i can see farve having the offense simplified, but there should not be any excuses for sanchez. he had the playbook in his hand from the time he got on this team, and its been how long? all this talk of the offense being too complicated as an excuse for sanchez's trouble of being an under-acheiver toward our team goals is just a cover up. sanchez is an average qb in this league and thats probably what we are going to have at the position the rest of the time he remains a jet. sanchez, quite frankly sucks worse than schotty's offense.
haha...just keep drinking till your post sounds awesome again, then post another one. That's what i do!!!!
How could he speak up? The FO practically gave handjobs to Brian whenever he wanted. They forced him to resign? They didn't have the balls to fire him. Fucking Sad...
Simple is better None of us really know for sure exactly the reasons for the Jets offense being horrendous, but the offense did look pretty complicated. Even if Sanchez mastered it, other players may not have mastered it. It seems to me that simple is better. Teams don't have a lot of time to practice, so if they practice the same few plays repeatedly, they should become experts. When Joe Walton was head coach, I knew a rookie on the Jets and the one thing he said about the team was that the offense was really complicated and the plays were brought into the huddle by the player(s) subbing in. He said it was easy to make a mistake when communicating the play to the players in the huddle b/c it the offense was so complicated. If players are struggling to remember the plays, how can they actually play well?
Also, many fans, including posters on these boards, point out that in Schotty's offense, it often seems like there is no flow and consistency to the offense. When I watched the Superbowl, I watched more for the style of the teams offenses than the actual game itself and you could see that each team had a plan, albeit different plans. The Giants mixed up their formations btw run and pass formations and it was obvious what they were showing. They didn't necessarily run what they were showing though, so that kept NE guessing. On the other hand, the Pats always showed pass in their alignment and sometimes would have running plays off that alignment and that kept the Giants defense guessing. Both plans were simple and elegant. With the Jets, that's usually not the case. Maybe that's why they have been so successful in 2 minute drills with Sanchez. "Drop back to pass and look for the open man" doesn't require much thinking.
The 2 minute drill removes pre-snap motion. It removes holding linemen in their set position for more than a few seconds. It removes trick plays (except on the last play in desperation.) It mitigates against the shotgun heavily because the QB needs to get up to the line of scrimmage and get everybody set. It causes more use of a rolling pocket and rollouts in general because there are fewer blockers available to handle blitzes. In other words the 2 minute drill essentially plays to most of Sanchez strengths and removes the ability to run about 90% of the mutant.
He wanted Sanchez drafted to run his offense. Inability to adapt to the circumstances is one of the primary traits in repeated failure.
Bingo. But Schotty isn't wise. He tries to fit everything to his methods rather than adapting his methods to his players.
This. Because, even if the team knows a particular type of play is coming, you still have to execute. If you make your blocks and hit the right holes, you can still succeed even when the defense knows it's coming. The Jets offense never even seemed to know what was coming, much less the defense.
pre-snap motion doesnt complicate the offense,and as a matter of fact it gives the qb valuable info. the offense did deal with alot of formations, which may add to the number of plays, but alot of the formations use the same plays as other formations...a.k.a. smoke and mirrors. our offense sucked because sanchez couldnt read a defense if the mlb held up a sign stating the play, he checked down more than chad pennington and wasnt anywhere near as accurate as chad, and he was always in panic mode (cause he didnt like contact, him being a puss and all) which caused him to forget looking for any other receiver besides the one he stared at the entire play. he also didnt utilize the audible, not because the playbook was so complicated
Yes, after three years, even a mildly retarded Qb should have gotten the playbook. Here's another thing to consider - if all or even most of the problems on O were so obviously a consequence of Schotty's playbook, how come an offensive genius with clout like Moore didn't set all that straight this past season? It would seem obvious if Moore did think that was the problem that he would have shared that perception with Ryan and even Tanny who, it's no stretch, would have shared that with Schotty and ordered him to proceed accordingly. But that didn't happen, did it? The problem with suggestions of simplification of the O is that such an approach makes the O too predictable and easier to defend. Of course you can get away with that approach if you have a dominating running attack, or a Qb with a quick and accurate release, an adequate OL and discplined rout running receivers. Someone like Dan Marino. But with the personnel the Jets had/have, if you take too much out of the playbook, you make the job of the opposing D too easy. Another common suggestion of Sanchez defenders here is that more roll outs should have been used, even to the extent of suggesting roll outs should dominate the passing play selection. This suggestion ignores the obvious, which is two things, one is that the Qb is put at much greater risk of injury, and second it pretty much diminishes the effectiveness of timing routes and plays designed to attack weaknesses in the defensive set. Those suggesting more roll outs not only ignore these problems. They also unwittingly acknowledge that little is lost by foregoing a more set offensive attack, throwing from within the pocket. The advantage of throwing from within the pocket is that the Qb should be able to read what the D is doing and decide his options before the snap. If instead the Qb is ineffective at that kind of approach, because he can't read defenses, then little is lost by giving that attack up. Instead the hope is that as the Qb rolls out, the D will leave its defensive coverage, and move to where the Qb has rolled out to, with the hope that they will leave someone open, who the Qb will see, have time to throw it to that receiver, and be accurate enough to get it to him. In short rolls outs do not rely upon the ability of the Qb to read the D before the snap. He waits and sees what develops as he rolls out. In other words saying your Qb does better on roll outs, despite the inherent shortcomings of depending on roll outs, implicitly acknowledges that your Qb is poor at reading defenses from the pocket. Now the exception to all of the foregoing is if your Qb is great at running the ball, like a Michael Vick. But even Michael Vick's coaches have been, more so with each passing year, encouraging him to be more of a pocket passer. Why? Because he gets injured too much. But of course when it comes to being a threat to run, and I hardly would say Sanchez is no threat to run, but he's no Michael Vick, either. He also tends to put the ball on the ground too much. No. Depending on roll outs is not the answer to fixing the passing game.
This. That was what Lombardi's Packers did. I'll bet they didn't have more than 6 running plays either, but they practiced those 6 until execution was perfect on every one of them every time. They didn't care that other teams knew what was coming. They still beat them with it. They imposed their will upon the other team.
Well, if it's true that Peyton Manning ran a 12 play playbook then it becomes obvious that just about every team is doing this wrong. It may also explain why Bill Belichik could shut him down as often as he did but you can't argue with the regular season results over a decade. My main issue with Schotty's game plans and play calls was that the Jets often looked like they were running 30 to 40 different plays in a game. They' do something really effective, like that stop and go slant to Holmes, and you'd never see the play called again in the game and sometimes in the entire season. NFL players aren't that good. They can't come out and run a new play every down week after week without things breaking down and the definition of the Jets offense last year was broken down.
I think it does complicate the offense in Schotty's case. How many times did we line the terminator out wide only to motion him back into the backfield? What does that tell the offense if linebacker covering him comes back into the middle of the field? Pre snap motion works, if you don't use it as the base of your offense. You see a lot of QB's just motion a WR back and forth or into the backfield. A lot of motioning was complete shifts, or resulted in Mulligan getting a false start. Also, motioning LT out of the backfield so it is empty is us holding up a sign saying we are passing and have no extra protection for Sanchez. Sanchez and Schotty didn't fit. Rex and Schotty didn't fit. Schotty's offense was better with a QB like Chad and when we had less of a run game. It doesn't fit into how Sanchez or the team was built. And, Schotty and Chad didn't light up the world(or even have a top 10 offense), but that offense was much better than the one we saw this year.
Sorry, I gotta disagree with you. Sanchez may be mildly retarded, but that's beside the point. OCs should design their system around the talents of the players they have rather than some ideal set of players. If Mark can't read Ds well, yet Schotty continually designs plays and a system that demands that the QB read Ds well, then WHO IS THE RETARD?? I say that it's Schotty, along with Tanny and the Jets' Scouting Dept. for not only drafting, but trading up for a QB who didn't possess the skills that Schotty wanted/needed for his system. In theory, a simpler system may make it seem that it's easier to defend against, but if your team executes with precision and perfection, it won't be easy. Further, in spite of the numerous formations that Schotty employed, his offense was very predictable. I've seen quotes from opposing defenders that even though the Jets ran many different formations, they always ran the same 1-2 plays out of each formation, so it was easy to know what the Jets were going to do. How easy was that to defend against? All that did was make it harder for his own players to remember the different formations and where they were supposed to line up and what their responsibilities were. He'd have been better off with 2-3 or 4 tops formations, but having multiple plays that the Jets ran out of each formation. They would have had more time to practice each play and get its execution down, even with their limited personnel. I disagree that roll outs present any greater threat of injury for the QB, especially with Hunter at RT. With Sanchez rolling left and away from Hunter's man, that makes him safer, not more exposed. Sanchez has shown that he can find the open receiver and make plays when he rolls out. One of his strengths is his ability to hit receivers while on the move. It was stupid not to make use of that more when he wasn't good at reading Ds and especially considering the Jets' OL last season. Depending upon rollouts long term is not the answer. On that we agree, but under Schotty's system and leadership, it was the answer. Now that he's gone, hopefully Sanchez can and will develop. If not, then the Jets start over at QB, but that still won't mean that Sanchez was the only problem with Schotty's system. It also won't mean that Tanny and the Jets' Scouting Dept. will be able to find anyone any better than Sanchez. I think Tanny and the whole Scouting Dept. should be fired.
Rolling out left for a right handed QB is very difficult and tougher to make throws. He no longer can make as many throws on the run unless he stops and plants. Rolling out to the strong hand of the QB is much more beneficial as the QB does not need to come to complete stop to throw. A quick thing you can do is roll out to your strong hand side and throw something. Then roll out to your weak hand side and you can see the difference immediately. Rolling out left has your shoulder open while throwing. Not sure how to explain it, but it is more difficult for a right handed QB to roll left and vice versa. I agree that moving the pocket should have been utilized more than the handful of times we saw it all season.
Of course you're right in normal circumstances, but if you were the QB, would you have wanted to roll out to your right where Hunter was waving his man through? That would be like leaning into a right cross or an uppercut.
