seeing eli gets his 2nd buoys my confidence in Mark

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  1. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    But but but...lets hear the excuses for your savior Braylon.
     
  2. Braylon4ever

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    Playoffs is my defense because it's the Biggest time of the year aside from the SuperBowl. And Mark has risen to the occasion each time he's been there.

    And what the fuck does bringing up this year's playoffs have to do with anything aside from you just being a total jerk?

    Get lost....





    Dude...SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! Go to the Falcons messageboard and worship your boy Abe already....
     
  3. Pereiro16

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    Sanchez can be the greatest playoff performer of all time but it means nothing if he plays like trash in the regular season.

    If Sanchez plays just AVERAGE, we beat Denver, Miami and possibly the Giants this season and make the playoffs
     
  4. fenwyr

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    Eli has a defense that can get an opposing offense off the field. Considering Weatherford will likely need a leg transplant yet they still won just shows you how many opportunities the defense gave the offense.

    Our offense can score 19 points against the Patriots too. The problem is that our defense will spot them 30.

    Unless this defense can start proving they can stop an offense consistently, we need to stop with the deferring garbage. Sanchez always seemed to be in a hole before he ever touched the ball this year.

    If we are going to be a run first team, take the ball first and run 8 minutes off the clock resulting in a score. That's how you demoralize an opposing defense and kick off to an offense that hasn't been on the field (since warmups) for over 30 minutes. Instead we applied the opposite philosophy and put an ice cold Sanchez on the field down 3-7 points.

    Brilliant!
     
  5. Pereiro16

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    except we have had a better defense than the Giants for three years now.. good try though
     
  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The best thing about Eli getting his second this year is that he didn't even have his first by the year Sanchez is in right now. If the Jets sneak into the playoffs at 10-6 next season they'll probably have a better chance to actually win it all than the Giants did in 2007.
     
  7. Zach

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    I know Sanchez played like shit this season, but the Giants loss should not be pinned on Mark. Schottenheimer fucked it up royally, with defense playing their part in their own doom.

    Mark my words; Giants are at best 10-win team in the regular season. Their run defense up the middle is very soft. They have pass rushers, not run stuffers, up the middle and then have no name playing MLB. So if you let them hang around long enough, they will make you pay when you have to pass.

    Look. Jets have clearly established their run game that day - good 6 yard a pop up the middle is very fine number no matter how you slice it. So... you, as the OC, dial up 60+ passes against that? That is inexcusable. Ok?
     
  8. Big Blocker

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    Oh the irony. I get the criticism of throwing it too much, but the precise reason it was "too much" was because the Jets have a Qb who cannot get it done by carrying the team on his back.

    And ftr the Rb's in the second half of the game were mediocre at best.

    Meanwhile Sanchez had two interceptions and forgot where he was on the field, causing a safety. He barely completed over half his passes against a weak Giant secondary. He held the ball too long for sacks, and fumbled.

    Before the end of the first half he had the ball on the Giant 19, proceeded to throw two incomplete passes before getting sacked on third down, moving the ball back to the 26. Sure Folk should have made it, but losing seven yards did not help.

    I know it's a team sport, but you are spouting nonsense ignoring Sanchez's role in that loss. He sucked.

    Plus... Sanchez Fans like to say he's so great in the playoffs. Well the last three games of the regular season were like a playoff run, and he sucked in every one of those games. Sucked.

    Face it.
     
  9. bbombers1985

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    I've seen these posts before. Saying Rodgers, Bress, and now Manning were sub-par years 1-3. I just don't see Sanchez measuring up just yet. Look at the footwork these QBs have. The ability to get off quick throws and work out of the pocket. It's just missing barring drastic strategic changes for Sanchez this season. I hope Sparano was the missing link. I'm praying.
     
  10. abyzmul

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    BB's arguments suck so bad. It's almost funny. Sanchez throws the 12th most passing attempts in single game history, and not even taking into account the dropbacks that ended in sacks and the plays where Sanchez audibles to run... and it's only bad because he's bad. What an ignorant argument.

    Most of the QBs that have that many attempts in a game do it because they are down by multiple scores and have to take multiple chances to try to catch up. Jets were down by no more than 7 points until the 4th quarter, and yet Schotty kept calling passes for his injured quarterback.
     
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    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    Now youre going to resort to name calling? I like how my screen name is the only thing you can ever pick on. Ive had this name since he was here. Very original buddy. At least J Abe had a bigger impact here than your man crush Braylon.

    Anyways, what good is it if his subpar play doesnt even get them in the playoffs? The fact that you even said we should be rolling Sanchez out alot because he is too small to see over lineman just proves peoples even more that we need a new QB.
     
  12. dcm1602

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    Thats odd I dont remember Abraham ever making any big plays for us in the postseason

    However I do remember Braylon making some epic plays in one of our biggest playoff wins in a long time against the drastically favored pats, a monster td in the afccg against the Colts, and a game winning catch against the Colts the following year that set up the game winning Fieldgoal.

    And he did this all in like what, a year and a half ?
     
  13. 94Abraham

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    oh so now he was "injured" too. Lets hear some more excuses from you Sanchez fans. Regardless of all the passing plays being called, Sanchez should of done more than a 50% passing rate.
     
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    If you saw the show and heard the conversation I referenced Tim Hasselbeck said that conversation about Manning was the same (his words not mine) as Sanchez is today. And they were talking about him being a bust not about Eli becoming Elite

    Sanchez has to improve but in reality only Jets fans are questioning if he can be "decent". Too many of us go from one extreme to the next. If he has a bad game or a season that didn't live up to our expectations he must suck instead of looking at the fact that he did improve in many areas and the team as a whole took a step back. No blocking leads to Sanchez getting knocked on his ass and at times getting a bit jumpy in the pocking and check downs. No blocking also leads to no run game which again leads to more pressure on the pass game and again can lead to more check downs. Receivers not running the right routes or being on the same page as the QB take away quick throws and timing plays. A defense giving up a 95 yards GW drive to a run only QB doesn't help, nor does them giving up a 99 yard TD pass play due to poor tackling. Neither does have an OC who seems to believe is something worked once why use that play again and if there is a simple way to run a play and a hard way to run the play let's find a way to run it that makes the hard way look simple.

    Sure Sanchez has made his share of mistakes but when the rest of the team isn't playing up to par that just highlights the mistakes he makes because he is the QB. Sanchez has to step up his game and improve but what he has accomplished says he is better QB then people give him credit for. 4 playoff road wins and 2 AFC championships in your first two years in the league is not a bad start, now he just has to step up more and truly be the leader we need him to be
     
  15. 94Abraham

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    How short of a memory you have. DE isnt in the spot light like a QB, WR, or RB. Why do you think defensive guys almost never win super bowl mvps? How many sacks did Pierre Paul have on Sunday? You cant judge a players performance solely on sacks. Youre probably one of the same fools who whine about lack of pass rush when he was the last good one this team has had too.
     
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    Come on abyz, it's been obvious for a while that BB has an agenda, he just does a better job masking it than jetsown22 or milcus. Anyone not named Brady,manning, brees or Rodgers should not be dropping back to pass that much. Especially when your team is averaging 5 yards per carry. But fuck logic, we're just Sanchez fans because we're logical.
     
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    Exactly why Schotty should have stuck with the run. Sanchez was hurt and not playing a good game. So Schotty decides to put even more pressure on him without establishing the run. It really didn't help that Mangold botched the snap on the goal line and turn the ball over, either. We should have had that game. Schotty is unquestionably a bigger problem than Sanchez, however. Quote me now, if Sanchez doesn't break out next year I'll make a youtube video burning his jersey. I have confidence that we'll be fine.
     
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    Either you misinterpreted what they said or they were wrong. Eli was never considered a bust. Nobody was considering replacing him with Brett Favre or some other aging, big named vet. He was considered a "disappointment" only because he was the #1 pick in the draft and the Giants gave up a lot to get him but he was never, ever in danger of being sent packing like David Carr, a #1 pick who was a bust. Until this year, he wasn't considered as good as either Rivers or Roethlisberger, but that's still a long way from being a "bust".
     
  19. Br4d

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    You need to go do a search on Google with the terms "Eli Manning 2007 Bust". It's easy at that point to see that everybody was wondering if Eli was going to prove out or not. He looked so much worse than his brother at that point and if he had not won a Super Bowl in 2007 he'd likely have been gone by the time 2009 rolled around.
     
  20. jdon

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    I don't see any comparison in style, talent or temperament between Eli and Mark. Yes Eli made mistakes, but he got better. And Eli could always get up and down the field a lot quicker than Mark. Plus, Eli does not piss his pants when pressured. He may have made bad reads, but he never stopped competing.
     

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