Why should the press even bring it up? It's a non-story and only relevant today on Jets message boards.
Like it or not, this issue is not going to die Thanks to his "stellar" personality, Bellichek will get no pass
I think Cakes is getting closer to the truth. While I do think there is a strong case for Parcells I have no problem with Walsh and Lombardi in the top 5. I would also have no problem ranking either one over Parcells but I would have to see the logic behind it (especially since Lombardi was before my time). Personally I would rank Walsh over Lombardi given that he introduced the West Coash Offence yet had teams that were very good on defense as well. They are so different it is hard to compare them. Walsh was more creative but Lombardi's commitment to running each of his plays perfectly (and over again and again in practice) is amazing as well. Brown, Halas, and Stram are all top 15 coaches and a couple of them have a good case for top 5 (or better) but they are also before my time. Parcells and Walsh played against each other and the head to head games were something to behold. Walsh has the better resume but Parcells did beat Walsh two out of three times in the playoffs (including the last two in a row). What Parcells did on defense with the 3-4 and his pass rusher (LT) was just as innovative as the West Coast Offense. Ybtil then, the left tackle position did not have the significance it has today. You want to tell Me that Walsh or Lombardi is better than Parcells and bring the facts to back it up I may agree with you. Telling me that Bellicheck or any or Parcells other disciples is better than their mentor without backing it up I am just not buying it.
James Harrison begs to differ, so does Ryan Clark. They seem to care: http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=4331373 http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=4330355 http://boards.ign.com/football/b5105/208169968/p1/?4 http://boards.giants.com/forums/2479624/ShowThread.aspx http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000211-sports-and-racing-nfl/61868640 http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20267 Heh, looks like pats fans care too: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england.../98/895175-spygate-allegations-so-stupid.html http://steelerfury.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17605&start=80 Want me to go on? It's on a lot of peoples minds and will be unless Brady and Bill can win a SB post 2007. Also, it doesn't help Brady has really underperformed in the playoffs since spygate.
No. A handful of whiners dwelling on the past... not really indicative of much. It's about as relevant as the Jets two AFCCG appearances.
I don't agree. Brady did not beat the Steelers in the playoffs---Bledsoe had to bail him out. And Brady was mediocre against the Rams. A couple of completions against a prevent defense and Adam V. got him the undeserved MVP. Belichick is a great coach. He was clearly responsible for the defense that won that first SB. Now that Atlanta SB you could argue about. The defense went south. Yes, Brady has developed into a top QB, but BB won that first one, and any coach who can get a middle range talent team through the playoffs to a SB victory, is a big time coach. I hate his traitorous, mumbling, crybaby guts. But give him his due.
Can Belichick win without Brady? Belichick managed to get his claws on a franchise QB and hung with that team for the duration of his success. Belichick was a failure in his only other head coaching job. Parcells never had a QB like Brady. Even though I think Brady is overrated due to his success early in his career, he is still better than Simms. Parcells won a superbowl with jeff hostetler for christ sake. He won games with Ray Lucas who was barely an NFL quarterback. Parcells always did more with less talent. Not just at the Quarterback position, but all over the roster. Isn't that what a head coach really should be? Someone who brings the best performance out of his players? In my opinion the things Parcells did just with Quarterbacks...Win with Simms and Hostetler, Turn around Vinny Testaverde, Win with Ray Lucas, etc was much more impressive than just riding Brady or Montana like some so called "Great" coaches of Parcells' same era did. Parcells is the best coach of the past 25 years. The fact that he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer is a disgrace to the journalists who get to vote on the award.
You're right, I forgot about how Lawrence Taylor signed with the Pats when Parcells took them to the superbowl. Then Lawrence Taylor signed with the Jets when the Jets made it to the AFC championship in 98. Who could forget Lawrence Taylor's epic play with the Cowboys as well?
Again, Parcells never was able to repeat what he did with the Giants anywhere else. As a matter of fact, he got progressively worse at each stop he made once he left the Giants, the one exception being his 3 year stopover in NY. He coached 11 seasons after leaving the Giants and only won his division twice. He left NE with a 32-32 record; he left Dallas with a 34-30 record. And LT had as much to do with the Giants getting to the SB as anyone else, including Parcells.
The overall records Parcells achieved with each team is a terrible way to evaluate him. Everywhere Parcells landed he was rebuilding a losing franchise going nowhere. After building them up to SB contenders he walks out. He wanted to leave the Dolphins also but they begged him to stay & now they're dealing w/ a very old Parcells that planned to leave years ago. For Parcell's 2nd SB victory, the entire playoff run was done w/ a backup QB that had very little playing experience. Also, the entire offense needed to be revamped for their playoff run because Hostetler was more of a scrambler than pocket passer. == No modern coach that has shown Parcell's ability to consistently rebuild losing franchises into such winners. BB had two coaching jobs. 1 - fired from Browns 2 - BB took Parcell's team and was gonna be fired until Brady. Drew Bledsoe was there when BB arrived & he was good enough for Parcells to reach the SB.
Meh. What do I care? If he IS the greatest coach on the planet, he's having a difficult time proving it. If he ISN'T, then the Krafts are paying him more than any other NFL coach for nothing. Either way, I hardly care.
If the Jets had Tom Brady, guarantee they'd also have some 2-3 rings right now. He IS that team. He's the only reason they can get away with having such a bad defense and still contend. It doesn't really matter who he's throwing too. It's been a revolving door the last few years at receiver for the Pats and Brady still gets it done. Credit goes to the offensive line as well, but Bellachick is very fortunate to become paired up with one of the best QBs of our time. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but yes he is definitely over rated. People treat this guy like some football messiah. Take away Brady next year, the team tanks.
Parcells is a top coach. Not sure where I rank him right now. Am going to take a more serious look at coach rankings in offseason here. I cannot give Parcells credit for the 3-4. He did not invent that defense. A half decade before Parcells took over the Giants, Robert Brazile was wreaking havoc down in Houston as a 3-4 rush linebacker. He was an earlier version of Taylor, although not as spectacular. Walsh definitely was innovative. He created a short passing game in Cincinnati and also scripted the first 15-20 plays of games. That short passing attack should be called the Cincinnati offense or Midwest offense, but received the West Coast tag when Walsh was in San Francisco. Gibbs is a top ten coach for sure and might be top 5. He won Super Bowls with 3 different QBs (none are PFHOFers). Gibbs had no Lawrence Taylor on his teams..What he had was a bunch of very good players. He and his staff coached them excellently. His later stint was not as successful but he did take the team to the playoffs twice even with terrible ownership.
Parcells is great because he built up MULTIPLE teams. Guys like Belichick and Shannahan cant survive without there star QBs. Look how bad Shannahan is doing without Elway. He cant put a team together in Washington and could be fired next season. Belichick will struggle a ton without Brady, hell I see Belichick retiring with Brady in 3 years.
I think the greatest coach of all time would be a coach that wins with 2 teams. I might be wrong but I think no coach has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 teams. It goes to show that coaching is somewhat overrated and it has more to do with the QB they are tied to.
Take Lawrence Taylor away from Parcells and I don't think he wins a SB with the Giants. True, but there's one coach who won in two cities.
No it's not.........This is the only board that brings it up........it's a non issue to the rest of the fan ases
This is one of your brighter points. Find a Hall of Fame coach and you will invariably find a Hall of Fame quarterback right next to him.
