As a patriots fan the things I see that piss me off

It's not a surprise...Alot of Patriots fans never existed before Parcells got there.

 

Not to shit on ur parade, but since Beli got caught taping pre-game plays...the Pats have been, oh what, 2-what? And those 2 wins happened this year.

And that 2nd win against the Ravens...really???

 

If Welker caught that ball, we would have won the game. I will get that out of the way right now.

If Ninkovich hadn't jumped offsides on 3rd-and-8, we also would have won the game.

If Branch and/or Hernandez had caught their passes late in the 4th quarter, we would have had an actual chance to make a comeback.

People that are going to make scapegoats of any of these players are all idiots (especially the ones saying we shouldn't re-sign Welker). The fact is all of those players had decent games despite those mistakes. In fact we had a lot of players have decent games. Almost all of them.

I like to think of it this way... If we HAD won, who would have been our MVP? I honestly can't think of anyone. Sure we had a bunch of players have decent games, but honestly, who rose up to the occasion and was really outstanding? No one. It's easy to see why we lost and why the Giants won.

I think that if Gronkowski had been at 100% we probably would have won. But at this point, that is irrelevant. Overall, we can't complain about our health in the playoffs. We had Vollmer, Spikes, Mayo, Deaderick, Chung, and a bunch of other players who we prayed would be healthy to finish the season.

As fans, the most we can reasonably expect from our team is a group that shows effort, improvement, desire to win, and potential to win it all. I think the Patriots showed all of those things today and throughout the season. We have a bright future with our HOF combo at QB and HC still intact, a bunch of young talent on both sides of the ball, the most salary cap space in the AFC East, and a plethora of draft picks to improve our defense. I'm disappointed in the outcome tonight, but not at all disappointed in the direction that this team is going. Fans can complain all they want, but we all know they will be back next year as soon as we win a few games.

I don't know where I am going with this post, so I will just end with congrats to the Giants, Jets fans keep your heads up, Pats fans stop being whiny little bitches, and thank god for whiskey to solve all of lifes problems :drunk:.

 

I assume you are talking about playoff games? In that case you are wrong. Since spygate, the Pats won two games in 2007, lost the SB in 2007, lost the wildcard game in 2009, lost the divisional championship in 2010, won two this year, then lost the SB this year.

Total: 4 wins, 5 losses, three first round byes, two superbowl appearances

Obviously a dropoff from the 2001-2004 dynasty, but still nothing to laugh at.

 

The Pats were as good as gone to St. Louis before Kraft stepped in.

 

So, since 2007 you won 2 games and lost in the SB to go 18-1 against the Giants. Got embarrassed against the Ravens in the WC game in your house. Lost against that Jets in your house...again. And won against the Tim Tebow-led Broncos and the Ravens TD strip/missed FG Ravens OT game...and u still felt like the Pats belong in this game??? Hahaha...

 

"belong in this game"... wtf does this even mean? Are you saying the patriots didn't belong in the superbowl? Go ahead, argue to me how some other team that either lost a playoff game, or didn't even make the playoffs, "belonged" in the superbowl.

Otherwise your entire post is just filled with a bunch of sensationalized bullshit drivel aimed at discrediting the Patriots relative success, since you obviously need to discredit our success to feel good about yourself. Did you miss the part where the Jets were "embarrassed" by the Ravens this season? Did you miss the part where the Jets were "embarrassed" by the Patriots TWICE this season? Is there some other team that should have been playing us instead of the "Tebow led" Broncos? Again, explain to me which team "deserved" to face us instead... the Steelers who couldn't beat them?... the Jets who were "embarrassed" by them?

Also, do you not realize how easily the same logic can be applied to the Jets' two divisional championships? They beat the "Curtis Painter led" Colts just to GET INTO the playoffs in 2009. Then they beat the Chargers ONLY BECAUSE Nate Kaeding missed THREE FIELD GOALS. Then they beat Colts who had EIGHTEEN PLAYERS ON THE INJURED RESERVE and the Patriots who were starting 6th and 7th string players at DL, before getting "embarrassed" by the Steelers. And with ALL OF THIS LUCK, they still have not even managed a single superbowl appearance in the same amount of time that the Patriots have had SIX.

The Patriots were the second best team in the NFL this year. Unfortunately, that still leaves them in the same category as 30 other teams... losers. I am perfectly willing to admit that. But for you to argue that we didn't "belong" in the Superbowl is just stupid beyond belief. We beat all of the teams in our way to get there, then could have won it if literally any one of several plays had gone our way.

 

Patriots are a great team in their SB runs, but they won every game by 3 points. They blew out NOBODY.

Boston fans dissing Brady ? Yeah, trade him......go back to Tony Eason.

 

I don't understand why blowing teams out is considered a measure of success. The Giants certainly didn't blow us out tonight. You don't exactly "blow out" Super Bowl caliber teams with regularity, whether you are great or not. But, in any case, I'm not trying to start that argument with you.

I have been purposely avoiding Patriots forums and media. But if the things I keep hearing are true - Pats fans want to let Welker walk, and are questioning whether Brady is the right player for us at QB - I may have completely lost faith in our fanbase. It is bad enough when people start questioning "has Belichick lost his mojo?" after a two game losing streak. But seriously, how can people be so fucking stupid to question the few people (Belichick, Brady, and Welker) who have been carrying this franchise for years? Especially after a superbowl appearance, and quite honestly a near victory.

 

I don't think they didn't belong, you can't say teams don't belong when they make the SB. Every team gets breaks, man the Giants got a shitload of them the last 6 weeks starting with Wilson and Cromartie taking bad angles resulting in a 99 yard TD that saved their season, or we could go back to Romo missing a wide open Austin which would have basically won the division for the Cowboys. How many breaks did they get tonight? Drops, fumbles that bounced their way, Mesko shanking one at the end of the 3rd that led to a Giants FG. Getting to the SB requires being a great team but also having incredible luck, outside of the 07 Pats I can't think of any team that just bulldozed everybody on their way to the SB. Those teams are once a generation, Cowboys of the 90's even had Favre and Young to battle with. I guess the 85 Bears are in that company but every team that wins the SB or makes it gets breaks to get there. Both teams belonged and the Giants deserved to win ( I know you didn't say they didn't)

That being said I see a lot of Pats fans crying (and not here but other places) about Gronkowski being injured. And Big Ben wasn't injured for the Steelers? Nobody had any sympathy for the Jets when Mangold went down. That's just the way it works in the NFL. Guys get injured sometimes at inopportune times. Shit the Chiefs may have won the division and Tebow would be out of the NFL if all those guys didn't get hurt in the course of like 3 weeks.

It's probably a good thing you avoid Boston media/fans for a few days. Your better off taking a beating from Jet fans then reading the nonsense over there. Comprehension and understanding of the game are not evident on Pats boards right now. They'd probably be similar here but when fans especially bandwagon fans get spoiled this is the result.

 

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I don't disagree with anything you said. I just want to point out a few things.

1) I think that the Patriots would have won the game today if Gronkowski had been 100% healthy.

2) I still don't think we have any right to complain about injuries. There are a couple that hurt us: Gronk, Bodden, Dowling. But we were relatively healthy down the stretch, which is all that you can ask for. Last year I think we were dealt a pretty shitty hand with our DL injuries. This year I think we were fortunate overall. I certainly won't be one to complain about one TE playing at less than 100% when we had healthy players joining us late in the season in Vollmer, Mayo, Spikes, Chung, etc. The Giants had their share of injuries too.

3) I have been intentionally avoiding Patriots forums and media for the past several hours, so I am not making any attempt to defend other fans. I am sure there are many ridiculous arguments being made right now.

4) The one thing that stands out to me in terms of "luck" for the Giants was all of the fumbles throughout the playoffs that were all recovered by them. Again though, the Patriots are in no position to complain. Ihedigbo had the best chance of recovering that Bradshaw fumble out of everyone on the field. He just didn't do it. You can't complain about luck when your team is in position to make plays and doesn't do it.

5) Big Ben is always injured late in seasons. I personally think that he is a drama queen, and gets credit for his "heroics" while injured, yet also gets excused when he fails to perform because of injury. I have no proof that this specific injury was manageable, though, so I guess I will just leave the topic alone.

6) Mangold went down for what, 2 or 3 games early in the season? I understand how good he is, but the real problem was lack of depth behind him. The Jets had plenty of time after he came back to "catch up" and prove how strong they are WITH Mangold... that didn't amount to much. You can count me among the people who "didn't feel bad" for the Jets, because I simply feel that one injury shouldn't be devastating for any team, unless that injury is at QB. If you read my above points, you should see that I apply the same logic for the Patriots, so I am not just using this as an excuse to criticize the Jets.

7) The post that you are responding to isn't the type of post that I normally like to make. The best part of the NFL is how crucial every game and every play is. You won't often find me talking about "luck" and which teams "deserve" to be in playoff games. Luck and random deviation are all part of the NFL - the best professional sport there is, as far as I am concerned. I was just responding to what I though was a ridiculous and heavily biased post by providing a mirror image of his argument.

 

Here's the funny thing, it's late and I'm not gonna go through everything you said because most of it is on par but many Pats fans including yourself feel that Gronkowski makes a difference. Maybe he does, we'll never know but the Vegas oddsmakers didn't think he did. Most said him playing made no difference in the line and those that did felt it was only half a point. Now obviously they have been wrong before, they were on the wrong side tonight and my gut tells me they took a beating but apparently there are very few non QB's who make a difference in the line. I never would have guessed that to be the case but I heard it the other day on local radio here in Vegas.

That being said I do think if he is healthy it makes a difference in the game, Brady probably doesn't throw that INT and maybe he doesn't even get the safety. We'll never know but injuries suck, we had a shot at the SB stolen from us in 99 because of one and a similar fate met the Pats in 08.

 

Well he is our second best offensive player, and broke multiple positional all-time records this season. I don't think it is unreasonable to say that he "makes a difference".

But it all comes back to the fact that it is an injury we were well prepared to deal with. We knew two weeks prior that he would be limited, if able to play at all. We also have another star TE, and basically pride ourselves on our ability to spread the ball and provide "too many weapons to cover". As Patriots fans, we take the idea of having a one-dimensional passing attack as an insult... well, if we can't win without Gronk, that is what we are.