But if they're 6-10, how do you justify keeping Tannenbaum? How many QB's in how many years do you keep giving him the chance to make a mistake on? (Assuming Sanchez flops, which I don't think he will, just playing devils advocate). And what GM is going to come in and want to keep Rex? To me that's why the 3 of them are linked.
Completely agree with this part of your post. Pretty much all of us have worked for a manager and some of us have had the opportunity to be one. If you are a good manager, you can recognize other good managers because you want to either take snippets of their style and use it as your own or emulate some of their nuances. Rex is a guy whose management style you want to emulate. Its like the old cliche, you can catch more bees with honey.... Obviously not providing enough discipline can backfire, but he seems to be making amends. I do not think Rex's wagon should be hitched to Sanchez. I am hopeful that Mark can turn it around but I also don't think the org should be waiting for that turn around before bringing in competition or even Mark's replacement. Rex is sticking with Mark to grow but Rex should also be planning in the event Mark does fail. But Rex's future should be mutually exclusive from Sanchez as well as vice versa.
As was stated earlier, GM's normally get 3 HCs. While Tanny may make the final call on personnel decisions, Woody will most likely have a lot of input into another QB decision - much like, I believe, how heavy handed he was with bringing in Favre. Killing off the GM and leaving the HC in place isn't the normalcy in the NFL but if Woody is unhappy with the cap and personnel moves but likes Rex as the HC, its certainly not out of possibility. And an inbound GM will be more than happy to retain Rex if it is the difference between unemployment or being GM of an NYC football team and having Rex as your HC.
I also agree that just because it is atypical does not mean a new GM would require getting rid of Ryan. Anyway probably a more realistic move would be to supplement/"help" Tanny with decisions on football moves, which I define pretty widely. The title to go with that job would not necessarily be GM. It could be assistant GM. heh.
Why would you want a new GM comming in who is simply happy to be a lacky for the owner regarding the HC. The GM is the man who has a philosophy on what the team should look like and a plan on how the team gets there. The coach and his staff is directly related to that plan. If we hire another weak minded GM who doesn't have a strong view of where he wants to go how are we ever going to get there?
I understand your point, but you leave out that it is not impossible that a GM could have the same view as Ryan does of where the team should go and what it should be trying to do. It's not like Ryan's approach is weird or unheard of. The reason I would like to see Tanny go or get demoted is he never was a football guy, and too often he doesn't seem to understand the situation in football terms.
Can you really imagine a really top notch creative GM discussing where he wants to take our Offense with Rex Ryan? He's a one demensional coach. It's not a question of weird or unheard of Ryan is simply a defensive coordinator in a HC roll.
On the particulars, probably not. But I don't think Ryan is so particular about the O. Saying "ground and pound" means something, but it's not terribly specific. Looking at this roster and at the intended plans for the D, I think most GM candidates would say that the team needs to have an emphasis on being able to run the ball. What kind of passing attack should go in there to supplement it, however, is the kind of thing I don't think Ryan has definite opinions about, other than that he wants Sanchez to minimize turnovers. I could see someone new to that role working with Ryan.
GMs want their own head coach because they want that guy to be subservient to them because they owe him their jobs. Held over coaches have no loyalty to a new GM.
How about loyalty to someone who could have fired you but didn't? In any event the discussion is complicated by the owner. Ryan knows Woody liked him, and that was a big part about how and why Ryan came to the Jets. Ryan knows it was not like Woody didn't know or didn't care and it was all on Tanny.
Not that I disagree with that thought but the ultimate goal is winning. Ryan is a spectacular defensive mind and he's got a majority if not all of the right coaching pieces in place. Its a matter of getting the right players to step up. If you bring in a GM who's offensive minded like Polian, they may have a lot more input into the O, as BB said, and Ryan might be OK with that. I think we are dissing Rex as a thick headed stubborn coach who wants all things his way. From an offensive perspective, as well as an HC perspective, he is a lot more flexible. We are not giving him enough credit for going out and talking to other former HCs and prominent coaches and even players in the league. Joe Gibbs, Tom Moore, Steve Young. And this is what the media has fed us. You have to think he's probably spoken to a lot more people.
Let's see he surely has consulted Norv out there in SD right? He must have consulted Belly to find out the trick to obtaining SB rings He must have consulted Coughlin to tell how his team could overtake the NYJs I think you should immediately terminate your visit to Fantasyland & join the real true land :sad:
I agree this Jets era is different. I've been a fan for as long as I remember (I'm 42) and I've always been cautiously optimistic as a fan and pretty much in general. I agree with JWWS that many Jets fans and NY fans in general are very reactive and quick to call for full scale change when only tweaks here and there are needed. Do we have a lot to work on this coming year? Yes, but we do have many of the pieces in place too that we can build around.
This is such a stupid post. It's a fact he went to Tom Moore for consulting -- showing he's flexible and open to criticism/advice. Yet you think by bringing up 3 coaches who he didn't go to proves he's this stubborn hard headed HC who's on a power trip and won't listen to anyone? Way to name 3 people, out of hundreds, in the league who he'd never talk to -- considering 2 are rivals and one he has a personal problem with. This must mean he's stuck in his ways, right? His whole style/belief was basically contradictory to what Schotty was running..yet he obviously isn't flexible? He basically let Schotty run that offense single handedly, throwing 60 times in a game. If anything, he's too flexible and needs to get more involved in offense and reiterate his belief in a dominant defense, with a dominant running game that minimizes turnovers. I think he brought in Sparano to do just that. And thank you for becoming a grown up and learning how to type "you" instead of "U".
