Niners and Jets, one in the same

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  1. FOURTHANDLONG

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    I will go one better than that. If you go back and look at the teams that have won the last 20 super bowls with the exception of four Qb's all are either in the Hall of Fame or going. And the Ravens and Buck had two of the best defenses to ever to step on a football field and as good as they were they were only able to win once. In this era of Qb's you better have somebody under center who can win a game with his talent come January.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Eli's D and STs cooperated, ours did not. he did everything he could to get us back in that Pitt game but you need all phases to be working for a comeback like that.

    TWICE DBs collided, 2 awful decisions that he got lucky didn't cost them, he also fumbled.

    Obviously I have sour grapes but he I can remove myself from my jealousy. He was good and he was lucky- he was not great.
     
  3. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    If you want to say he was lucky that's fine, it doesn't take away from the fact that he was good and stood tall while being hit 20 times. They got many breaks but they also needed to create some of those breaks. Weatherford was awesome for them something he was not for the Jets. The refs also blew a quick whistle on what should have been a Bradshaw fumble in the final minutes.
     
  4. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Eli took a beating yesterday, but how exactly did he "stand tall"? The 3rd down TD pass and the long pass to Bradshaw are the only good passes he threw in the 2nd half and the Giants had the ball a lot.

    He played well in the first half but the Niners defense was possessed after halftime and without the 49ers unforced errors the Giants don't score at all in the 2nd half.
     
  5. Biggs

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    Eli stood tall and made enough plays to change field position several times in the 2nd half. That was largely un-noticed because the 49ers punter was preserving all the field position the Giants O picked up on th 9ers D all game. The 49'ers kicking game was a huge factor in keeping them in that game yesterday. The Giants were pinned back all game and had no running game at all against a very tough pass rush. Granted their return game was the difference but with no run game pinned deep in your own end all day and getting knocked down on almost every play he still made some great throws that changed position that was later lost in the kicking game.
     
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  6. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. The Giants had the ball 10 times in the second half and OT and had 129 gross passing yards. They punted the ball 8 times from their own 34 or deeper in the same time span. Eli and the Giants offense were not changing any field position, they were handed points and the game by a fool of a punt returner.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Eli was good, I have said that over and over but this notion that he willed them to victory is silly. They did nothing all second half except for get 2 huge breaks w/ the muff/fumbles on the PRs, he also got very fortunate w/ the colliding DBs and the Bradshaw play. He played well, he was not great.

    Freakin' Weatherford, he was great for the Giants and he stunk for us in postseason.

    They did change FP in OT which was big.
     
  8. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    When? The Giants got 14 yards on their first drive and 8 on their second then Williams fumbled and that was all she wrote.
     
  9. Biggs

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    The Giants got the ball 2 in the second half and overtime past their own 20 and scored all their points.

    They started 5 drives at their own 20 one from the 12 and one from their 7.
     
  10. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    Great, what's your point? You guys are crowing about Eli changing field position, where they started doesn't change the fact that the Giants were completely unable to move the ball. The only field position changing play in the 2nd half or OT was the Bradshaw pass.
     
  11. nyjunc

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    we can credit Weatherford then b/c they did change FP.
     
  12. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    Sure Weatherford had an excellent game, aided by some awful fair catches by Williams when no Giants were within 10 yards of him. Even on that first fumble if it hadn't hit his knee he would've cost his team at least 20 yards by not fielding it. After watching the Jets all year I can't tell you how frustrating it was to watch the Giants be handed a trip to the SB by awful special teams play.
     
  13. nyjunc

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    That's true too, you are making a ton of sense today.
     
  14. Jersey Joe 67

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    We only wish we were as good a team as the 49ers
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    we were better than the '11 Niners just one short year ago.
     
  16. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    So Williams dad is Kenny Williams (the White Sox GM) and he is claiming his son had a seperated shoulder.
     
  17. JetsNation28

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    Glad I wasn't the only one yelling at the TV. If they ran the ball at the end I believe they would have been able to get a field goal opportunity because they were not getting anywhere passing it on 3 straight downs.
     
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    that!

    In my opinion we were a better team then the 9er's , but unfortunately the Record does not back up my opinion.
     
  19. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    The Giants aren't in the Super Bowl w/o Manning. Who cares about luck. The team they are facing in the SB were LUCKY too. Manning played a great game. It wasn't perfect, but he stepped up big time in the face of a relentless pass rush and against a great defense.
     
  20. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Manning can pull a third & long play out of his ass.
    Plus, he is very durable. After that you can pick him apart, but those two things are really what its all about.
     

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