If he quit today he'd have some explaining to do. I'm not biased, except that I hate him, and I have to put him up with Montana, probably ahead of Elway. Elway was a better runner but overall Brady has been the better QB. Also, as junc said, Favre on anyone's list is a joke. He killed a lot more seasons for his teams than he won anything, it was always about Favre himself.
They knew the Rams plays beforehand. When the Rams went to an unscripted hurry-up, they moved the ball. Don't forget the Tuck Rule.
With the game on the line they stopped the Rams and gave the Pats offense the ball back. The offense then punted after 3 plays without even flipping field position. Both sides played poorly. I will say this and I know you will disagree greatly, but without Adam Vinateri we are talking about 2 SB's at most for Brady and maybe even one. Having a clutch kicker like that cannot be overlooked.I think for 01 you are giving way too much credit to Brady. I disagree if you switch him and Manning the Colts have 3 super bowls. Of course it is impossible to know so I won't try to argue about you with this. Too much IFs and all hypothetical. And while yes the D gave up a total of 17 points in 07, Brady with one of the greatest offenses ever put up 14. Again, he plays better, they win. He had two timeouts and 50 seconds to drive into field goal range and he couldn't. You cannot pin 07 on Pats defense by any means. If Brady and that offense put up more than 14 points they are fine. That offense has to be blamed for only putting up 14.
If it was as simple as Adama Vinatieri why does Peyton only have one SB w/ him? Someone has to put AV in place to make those kicks. The Rams scored w/ a min and a half left, the Pats got the ball at their 17 w/ 1:21 to play and NO timeouts.
I never said it was as simple as him. I said "Having a clutch kicker like that cannot be overlooked." He made so many winning field goals for them in the playoffs that if he missed one here or there it really could have been one less Super Bowl. You are trying to twist what I said. I never said it is that simple, in fact I have been arguing it is a team thing and you are putting too much credit on Brady. I guess the time part was about me saying that you are giving too much credit to Brady? He put together a nice drive, but I still think you are overlooking the facts that their defense lead directly to 10 of their 20 points and trying to discredit this by saying they gave up 14 in the 4th quarter. After the Rams made it 17-10 the Pats went 3 and out and the Rams had to punt on NE's side of the field. The Pats then went 3 and out again and the Rams got the ball back on their own 45. The defense kept them in the game and helped them win it. Please do not discredit their accomplishment. And nowhere have I not given Brady credit. I think on earlier posts I have said Brady deserves credit for making plays and winning the game, but to overlook Vinateri and the defense is misleading.
I'm sure it's very doubtful, but do you guys think there is any chance Bilicheat or Brady retires if they win it all?
If they said that if they win it all they both will retire, then I will go out and buy a Brady jersey and a Bellichick Hoodie and cheer harder than ever for the Patriots the next 3 weeks! Sadly, they will probably stay at least 5 more years.
Did you reexamine what I actually wrote last night? I listed key receivers that Brady has played with through the years. I did not rank them. I never wrote that Branch was great. I wrote that I do not believe Montana threw to a significantly greater group of receivers. It is debatable as to which one had better receivers. Gun to my head maybe I would say Montana had better ones. It is close and certainly arguable. Brady's SB title teams were similar somewhat to Montana's first two SB title teams. Brady put up his best season with a healthy Moss. Why did you compare two NE tight ends to Clark? Clark was a wide receiver.
Please stop with that crap about the 'tuck rule being invented on the spot'. It was in the rule book as NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. It was added to the NFL rules in 1999. In fact the Jets were beneficiaries of this rule in a game against NE week 2 prior to the call in the Snow Bowl. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2001092306/2001/REG2/jets@patriots/analyze/playbyplay#tab=recap 1-10-NE 10 (1:09) V.Testaverde sacked at NE 13 for -3 yards (A.Pleasant). FUMBLES (A.Pleasant), RECOVERED by NE-R.Seymour at NE 13. R.Seymour to NE 13 for no gain (K.Jenkins). Play Challenged by Review Assistant and REVERSED. V.Testaverde pass incomplete. This was the famous game where Mo Lewis became the Patriots franchise MVP and Bledsoe became the modern Wally Pipp. If you want to talk about a play changing a franchise, the Mo Lewis hit on Bledsoe was it.
Brady is in my top 10 without having to do any research or thinking. Top five? I have to think about it. Montana and Unitas are easily in my top five. The other three spots? There are about a half dozen guys to consider. Old-timers Luckman and Baugh need to be strongly considered. Many fans think the NFL started in 1966. It did not. The league has been around since 1920.
that is hardly one of the greatest drives in SB history. one, they only went about 50 yards in a tie game, so they didn't have to score or risk losing, nevertheless have to even go the entire length of the field. it was a nice drive of dinks and dunks. great drives start and stop with TD drives.
C'mon man. Bledsoe was knocked out during the first game after 9/11. You have to know that as a Patriots fan. And are you seriously suggesting Brady would have sat on the bench all year had Lewis not injured Bledsoe? Wow.
Sorry, I accidentally posted this before I had completed editing. The Wikipedia citation refers to the wrong game. I've corrected the post by removing the Wikipedia reference.
Some sports publications list it as top 5. http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2671_Greatest_SB_drives:_where_does_Ben_rank?.html
It was a game winning drive in a Super Bowl, starting deep within their own territory, with very little time on the clock and no time outs, being executed by a major underdog against a team dubbed as "The Greatest Show on Turf". It wasn't the average field goal drive to get 3 points before half time. Great drives are drives that change games. By saying "start and stop with TD drives." you are disqualifying every drive that didn't require a touchdown, it didn't make it any less "great".
