Tebow didnt' beat him out, they used their poor record as an excuse to put in Tebow to satisfy the fan base. What part of winning playoff games has to do with QB like sanchez managing the game? The put him in that position because they felt that between their D and running game they could win. For the most part they didn't put him in a position where he'd be the factor determining the outcome. That doesn't happen with a good QB. Sanchez has few skills, if you call rolling out and throwing a skill instead of running for your life then yeah he has a basic skill set there, certainly not a top tier a that either. Other than that he's clueless. He can't read defenses, he either locks onto one receiver or checks down way too quickly and he couldn't hit the ocean standing on the beach. Why is it that Mangold calls out the defensive alignment and protection instead of Sanchez? Because in year 3 Sanchez still doesn't get it and likely never will. Mangold goes down for 2 games and Sanchez is like a deer in the headlights because the replacement center isn't as skilled at calling schemes and protections as Mangold. This year was time for Sanchez to step up and take control, he failed miserably and has yet to prove he's worthy of being a starter. How many times will it take him throwing balls at the receivers feet when there is no pressure on him or throwing balls well over the receivers head, behind the receiver, at the knees of a 6'5" receiver etc. before you people will realize he can't make NFL caliber throws or repeat those throws. He's NOT the answer here. For a great team with a great defense and great running game he's manageable but you cannot for a second put any responsibility on him, he's not up to the task.
Rofl, like this is the first game he's shit the bed in this season? Give me a break, this isn't a knee-jerk reaction at this point.
Agreed. They make unending excuses for Sanchez when he's obviously one of the biggest problems. See what I did there?
Dont think it's Sanchez's last game. I think we bring in another QB like Matt Flynn to compete with him for the starting job.
I still say acquiring Payton Manning will be the second coming of Brett Favre for the Jets. With the same result.
Except when Peyton gets sacked, because he isn't good at extending plays, he will be out for the year in say, week 2 and out for the rest of his life.. Thus making this topic among the stupidest.
they weren't winning 11 or 12 games this year, they were expected to take a step back even if Peyton was healthy. The talent is getting old but they had awful QBs all season, if they had competent QB play they win a ton of games. Garcon and Wayne still barely missed 1,000 yds w/ that awful QB play, Clark wasn't the same but he was coming of a serious injury, Donald Brown averaged almost 5 YPC. How soon you forget we were bettre the last 2 years. ask the Pats how good those last 2 AFC East champs shirts look. They went in another direction and started winning, you can keep guys like orton who put up nice #s in meaningless games and situations- I'll take the QB who gets it done when it matters most(which was Sanchez until this year). There are supposed much better QBs who make mistake after mistake in January to send their teams home so managing the game is a huge part. Mangold has called the protections shemes most of his career even before mark. This year a lot of things went against him- the OL stunk, the run game was bad for half the year, he got 3 of 4 new WRs. He had a lot go against him and he led us to more pts this year and his #s were up across the board. Was he better? NO, he took a step back but it's not like he was awful this year and can't play. he has proven he can. where is the great D and run game? i haven't seen a great run game since 2009 and we haven't had a great D. We lost more games b/c of the D/run game this year than b/c of the QB. I did, you showed you are an overreactionary typical fan that doesn't understand the game or is caught up in what bad fans/the media tells us to think.
It's not impossible the Jets start the 12 season with someone other than Sanchez under center, but I am pretty sure they will not make that move this year. Not that they have reason to expect much from Sanchez. The thing all those who defend Sanchez are ignoring is that he failed to improve this year and in fact regressed. Given what we see from him, another year with him is going to be wasted. But let's assume for sake of argument that he's back this coming year. What I would like to know from the Sanchez Fans is what kind of year, meaning a bad year, would make them say he's got to go? Would another year like this past one be enough to keep him one more year? I get the impression some Sanchez Fans would say yes to that, which imo is poor analysis on their part. At the end of his third full year in the league he could not read defenses, threw with no touch, poor accuracy, poor fundamentals in the pocket, and bad decisions. It is clear to me he has lost the confidence of at least some of his teammates. That is acceptable performance? I don't think so, and worse than that there's little reason, if any, to think he will improve.
you go Blocker, well said... These bold items are the big problem. These are the fundamentals that no matter how bad the O' line, or the coordinator, these fundamentals fall on the QB and his talent. He consistently overthrows or underthrows receivers. His passes consistently are behind the receiver on slants, and don't get me started on the passes knocked down at the line of scrimmage. All these are ON THE QB!!! not the OC or the O' line.
Yeah, what horrible regression, he had like 10 more touchdowns behind a shitter offensive line with a quitter and a criminal as his wide receivers. If he doesn't improve next year, then it's time for him to go if there is a realistic option to replace him. Ideally the Jets would add some kind of QB in the offseason. Do you think his interceptions Sunday were a good example of this?
I'm not sure how you can say this with such confidence. He threw for career highs in completions, TD's, yards, and comp %, and had his highest career QBR. How is that regressing? I mean, we all saw how bad he looked at times this year, but have we forgotten how abysmal he was in '10 and '09? If he looks the same by the end of next year (in a new system, of course), then I'll be sweating.
the career highs are misleading, he threw the ball a lot more than he did the previous years because we were not able to run as well as we had then. In his 3rd year in the same system, he looked like he had no command of the offense for the most part. Unless you are going to say that the wide receivers were the ones who did not grasp the nuances of the offense, and that combined with the poor O' line play made his reads and accuracy as well as fundamental pocket awareness look poor.
I want to see Sanchez again but with someone behind him to compete. I'll try to answer these. "What I would like to know from the Sanchez Fans is what kind of year, meaning a bad year, would make them say he's got to go?" For this I would say if the numbers stay relatively same, and there is no improvement in tds/%/int/yards/qbr as they have been improving, slightly, but improving the last 3 years. If the offense allows him the throw down the field more, I could live with completetion % going down if ypa average jumps. If his fundamentals/decision making/accuracy don't change with new coaching, I would get worried also. I believe all those could be coached up. "Would another year like this past one be enough to keep him one more year?" No, unless there are no other viable options. "The thing all those who defend Sanchez are ignoring is that he failed to improve this year and in fact regressed." What makes you think he has regressed, it seems he has done more with less this year. Is it the eye test or other reasons?
I don't think they're misleading. He only threw 37 more times than last year with greater accuracy, 9 more TD's, and a better QBR. Still, I absolutely agree with the bolded part. I also think you're last sentence is the key, though. It wasn't just Sanchez miscommunicating with WR's, we saw waaaaay too much general disarray on offense. Remember all those receivers bump into each other or running routes too close too each other? Remember Dustin Keller taking balls off his facemask because he wasn't expecting the ball on a simple in route? NO ONE looked comfortable in the offense this year, which leads me to believe it's a failure of the system, not just the QB.
A career high comp % of 56 is NOT good. Colt McCoy, Rex Grossman, Kevin Kolb, Orlovsky, McNabb, Andy Dalton, Tavaris Jackson and Matt Moore all had higher completion % than Sanchez. Just because you improve on how much you suck doesn't mean you're good. The same goes with the QBR 78 a career high? Are you kidding me? Many of the mis-fit cast of characters I noted above have better QBR's than Sanchez. Again just because its a career high doesn't mean he's good. You're seeing the pattern here, marginal improvement off crappy figures means he still sucks.
Sanchez threw 17 TD passes and 11 INT's when behind and 5 TD's and 4 Int's when ahead, 4 TD's 3 INT's when tied. He literally did nothing to help his team when tied or ahead. Why? A good QB should excel in those situations. Any fool can inflate numbers throwing from behind. 21 of his TD's were from the red zone. He had "5" TD's all year outside the red zone, that sucks on any level. Philip Rivers who had an off year threw 13 TD's vs. 6 picks while tied or ahead. More than 2:1 TD to INT in a bad year. Sanchez can't even compare to a guy with a bad year.
Never said he had a good year. I don't think that most of the people supporting Sanchez even think that. I take issue with the idea that he regressed. Buffalo '09? Baltimore and Miami last year? Have people really forgot how awful he's looked at times in those years? And it's been pointed out a million times how his numbers compare favorably to other successful QBs in their 3rd year (Eli, Brees, etc...)
