Dumbass, I wasn't talking about Schotty. I was talking about how even a great D can slip up when a key player is out. What does Schotty have to do with the D giving up a touchdown on the first possession of the game? Nothing.
I thought I might've misconstrued several 1QTR points-totals by forgetting about some of the non-Offensive TDs that we scored. The numbers you corrected (btw, thanks for that) actually now further substantiate the Offense's 1QTR inefficacy. But, of course, this has nothing to do with the Offense's continual early-game failures because, afterall, they never get the ball first, so they have virtually no chance to put up points and/or take a lead heading into the 2nd Quarter.
Don't non offensive TDs help the offenses #s since that takes away a possession and makes it harder to score on O? You lose that possession and in most cases we kick to start the game so that's 2 possessions lost.
Don't distort the amount of opportunities the Offense has had to score points in the 1QTR. Even when Kicking Off first, there have been games in which the Offense had multiple Possessions (and in some games an equal amount of Possessions) to score but failed. 2009 1QTR POSSESSIONS HOU -- 15:00 NYJ -- 11:46 HOU -- 10:12 NYJ -- 08:35 HOU -- 00:08 NE -- 15:00 NYJ -- 11:46 NE -- 09:41 NYJ -- 08:47 NE -- 08:36 NYJ -- 06:50 NE -- 05:16 NYJ -- 01:41 0-3 (trail) 4 Possessions each NYJ -- 15:00 TEN -- 09:40 NYJ -- 09:31 TEN -- 06:01 NYJ -- 05:19 TEN -- 02:15 NYJ -- 00:57 NO -- 15:00 NYJ -- 08:06 NO -- 04:39 NYJ -- 2:59 0-3 (trail) 2 Possessions each MIA -- 15:00 NYJ -- 07:31 MIA -- 03:51 NYJ -- 00:57 7-10 (trail) 2 Possessions each, but virtually 2:1 advantage MIA NYJ -- 15:00 BUF -- 13:52 NYJ -- 07:21 BUF -- 00:35 3-3 (tie) 2 Possessions each, but virtually 2:1 advantage NYJ OAK -- 15:00 NYJ -- 14:48 OAK -- 12:54 NYJ -- 11:27 OAK -- 08:43 NYJ -- 05:01 OAK -- 04:20 NYJ -- 01:24 NYJ -- 15:00 MIA -- 12:50 NYJ -- 10:50 MIA -- 08:19 NYJ -- 06:45 MIA -- 02:45 NYJ -- 01:38 0-0 (tie) 4:3 Possessions advantage NYJ NYJ -- 15:00 JAX -- 14:36 NYJ -- 11:56 JAX -- 08:21 NYJ -- 03:05 JAX -- 01:08 NE -- 15:00 NYJ -- 13:32 NE -- 10:45 NYJ -- 07:24 NYJ -- 05:47 NE -- 04:16 0-14 (trail) 3 Possessions each CAR -- 15:00 *Revis pick-6* CAR -- 08:48 NYJ -- 06:35 CAR -- 02:47 NYJ -- 01:14 BUF -- 15:00 NYJ -- 10:45 BUF -- 09:05 NYJ -- 07:25 BUF -- 03:39 NYJ -- 01:59 BUF -- 00:42 3-3 (tie) 4:3 Possessions advantage BUF, but virtually 3 Possessions each TB -- 15:00 NYJ -- 14:45 TB -- 12:40 NYJ -- 11:13 TB -- 04:47 NYJ -- 03:06 TB -- 01:34 ATL -- 15:00 NYJ -- 12:07 ATL -- 11:18 NYJ -- 06:36 ATL -- 04:44 NYJ -- 02:57 ATL -- 02:48 NYJ -- 01:01 IND -- 15:00 NYJ -- 12:03 IND -- 11:15 NYJ -- 06:55 IND -- 01:31 0-6 (trail) 3:2 Possessions advantage IND NYJ -- 15:00 CIN -- 10:46 NYJ -- 09:40 In 2009, of the 8 games we were trailing/tied, we scored 7 1QTR-points in 1 of them; in the other 7 games, we scored either 3 points or 0 points. 2009 Playoffs CIN -- 15:00 NYJ -- 14:01 CIN -- 10:10 NYJ -- 07:07 CIN -- 03:54 NYJ -- 02:15 0-7 (trail) 3 Possessions each SD -- 15:00 NYJ -- 11:50 SD -- 09:59 NYJ -- 06:28 SD -- 05:29 NYJ -- 00:46 0-0 (tie) 3 Possessions each, but virtually 3:2 advantage SD IND -- 15:00 NYJ -- 12:50 IND -- 06:40 NYJ -- 05:09 IND -- 03:37 0-0 (tie) 3:2 Possessions advantage IND In the 2009 Playoffs, we had at least 2 1QTR Possessions in each game and scored 0 points. 2010 1QTR POSSESSIONS NYJ -- 15:00 BAL -- 12:37 NYJ -- 12:30 BAL -- 10:54 NYJ -- 01:38 NE -- 15:00 NYJ -- 07:29 NE -- 06:27 0-0 (tie) 2:1 Possessions advantage NE NYJ -- 15:00 MIA -- 09:17 NYJ -- 08:06 MIA -- 06:22 NYJ -- 02:41 NYJ -- 15:00 NYJ -- 10:42 BUF -- 07:24 NYJ -- 05:46 BUF -- 04:52 NYJ -- 03:31 BUF -- 02:14 NYJ -- 01:07 MIN -- 15:00 NYJ -- 11:49 MIN -- 10:15 NYJ -- 08:27 MIN -- 04:55 NYJ -- 03:20 NYJ -- 15:00 DEN -- 13:58 NYJ -- 13:25 DEN -- 11:26 NYJ -- 10:33 DEN -- 09:42 NYJ -- 06:34 0-0 (tie) 4:3 Possessions advantage NYJ GB -- 15:00 NYJ -- 13:20 GB -- 12:30 NYJ -- 11:30 GB -- 09:55 NYJ -- 08:24 GB -- 06:32 NYJ -- 04:41 0-3 (trail) 4 Possessions each DET -- 15:00 NYJ -- 09:16 DET -- 07:34 NYJ -- 05:34 DET -- 03:02 NYJ -- 01:18 0-7 (trail) 3 Possessions each, but virtually 3:2 advantage DET CLE -- 15:00 NYJ -- 09:52 CLE -- 05:52 NYJ -- 05:13 CLE -- 03:06 NYJ -- 00:16 3-10 (trail) 3 Possessions each, but virtually 3:2 advantage CLE HOU -- 15:00 NYJ -- 13:15 HOU -- 11:28 NYJ -- 07:36 HOU -- 05:00 NYJ -- 02:43 HOU -- 00:52 CIN -- 15:00 NYJ -- 10:18 CIN -- 05:53 NYJ -- 04:52 CIN -- 00:23 0-0 (tie) 3:2 Possessions advantage CIN, but virtually 2 Possessions each NE -- 15:00 NYJ -- 10:57 NE -- 06:50 NYJ -- 04:02 NE -- 02:31 NYJ -- 01:01 0-17 (trail) 3 Possessions each, but virtually 3:2 advantage NE NYJ -- 15:00 MIA -- 13:25 NYJ -- 10:58 MIA -- 09:48 NYJ -- 07:10 MIA -- 05:43 NYJ -- 02:48 0-10 (trail) 4:3 Possessions advantage NYJ NYJ -- 15:00 *Brad Smith KO return for TD* PIT -- 14:48 NYJ -- 11:03 PIT -- 10:03 NYJ -- 07:27 PIT -- 00:41 CHI -- 15:00 NYJ -- 09:40 CHI -- 06:47 NYJ -- 04:54 0-10 (trail) 2 Possessions each BUF -- 15:00 NYJ -- 12:28 BUF -- 04:58 NYJ -- 01:30 In 2010, of the 9 games we were trailing/tied, we scored 0 1QTR-points in 8 of them; in the other game, we scored 3 points. 2010 Playoffs IND -- 15:00 NYJ -- 13:29 IND -- 10:56 NYJ -- 09:04 IND -- 06:07 NYJ -- 04:23 IND -- 02:45 0-0 (tie) 4:3 Possessions advantage IND NYJ -- 15:00 NE -- 12:03 NYJ -- 07:50 NE -- 05:44 NYJ -- 01:12 0-3 (trail) 3:2 Possessions advantage NYJ, but virtually 2 Possessions each PIT -- 15:00 NYJ -- 05:54 PIT -- 01:43 0-7 (trail) 2:1 Possessions advantage PIT In the 2010 Playoffs, we had multiple 1QTR Possessions (except for the AFCC) and again scored 0 points. -------------------------------- When will the excuse-train finally derail?
Yeah. I'm eager to hear the myriad circumstantial excuses that explain why we're incapable of scoring in the 1st Quarter; I expect to hear the gamut -- from injuries to shortened weeks to bad officiating to poor weather, and maybe even include the misfortune of sharing a Division with a Dynasty.
There aren't any excuses, just valid reasons. I have never said the O doesn't deserve blame for the slow starts I simply offered a few rational reasons why they haven't scored as much as some want and proved how this has really only been a problem the last half of last year and this year. I don't know why you are so touchy on this subject. By the way, games are 4 qtrs long. We tend to make up for the 1st qtr w/ better 2nd, 3rd and 4th qtrs and tend to make plays to WIN games. How many years did we get off to great starts only to blow games late, now we tend to do the opposite. I prefer this way. Now onto your info, it's nice info but it doesn't tell us where we started and you list possessions that start w/ a minute left in the qtr as if that is a knock against us. 2009: Hou: 2 possessions. 1st possession of Sanchez's career started at NYJ 19. 2nd possession started at 26, had 8 1/2 minute drive that ended w/ us up 3-0. NE: 4 "possessions". 1st possession got ball at our 20 w/ 11:46 to play, 2nd possession- ONE play and a fumble, 3rd possession. 4th possesssion got the ball w/ under 2 mins to play. Ten: got ball 1st, score TD. 2nd possession TD, 3rd possession punt, 4th started w/ under a min left in the qtr. **It's interesting how you didn't note we scored 2 TDs** NO: 1st possession came w/ 8 mins left in 1st qtr, 2nd possession started w/ 3 mins left and ended beg of 2nd qtr inside the NO 10 where Sanchez threw a pick 6. Mia: 1st possession started w/ 7 1/2 mins to play in 1st qtr and we scored a TD. 2nd possession started w/ 57 secs to play. Buf: got opening kickoff, went 4 and out(got a penalty on 1st down), 2nd possession kicked FG. Oak: TO on 1st possession gave us ball inside 5, we scored TD, 2nd possession punt. 3rd possession set up inside 5 and score TD, 4th possession got ball w/ 1:24 to play in qtr. Mia: 3 legit possessions w/ no score, the 4th we started late in the wtr and kicked a FG in the 2nd. Jax: intercepted on 1st play. 2nd possession kicked FG3rd possession scored TD **again, no note of scoring on our only 2 legit possessions** NE: 3 legit possessions, 1 TO and 2 punts Car: b/c of Revis INT for TD we get 1 legit possession, we missed a FG. Buf: 1st poss, 3 and out, 2nd poss FG, 3rd poss punt TB: 1st poss FG, 2nd poss FG, 3rd poss punt Atl: 1st poss INT, 2nd poss punt, 3rd TD. 4th began w/ a minute left and continued into 2nd qtr Ind: 2 possessions, 2 punts Cin:get opening KO score TD, 2nd possession took up last 9:40 of 1st qtr and we kicked a FG in 2nd. Can you see how you left out so many details? do I even need to waste my time to go over 2010? It's nice to post info but you seem to forget who you are dealing with, maybe you can fool others w/ posting that stuff but you can't get that by me.
If you didn't notice, I was focusing on the games in which we didn't have the lead at the end of the 1st QTR.
It's not love, it's being fair. We don't blame everything that goes wrong on the OC. He deserves some blame but overall he's done a GOOD job, if you guys would put the pitchforks down and analyze it logically you'd see the same thing.
What GOOD job? He's almost completely singlehandedly wasted the talents of Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, and Plaxico Burress. 5 yard slants left and right until you pass out from so many 3 and outs. He's a fucking joke
Braylon had the 2nd most productive season of his career last year Burress after 2 1/2 years in prison has 7 TDs w/ 4 games to play Holmes was great for us last year but the lack of quality OL and run game has affected the pass game The fans that blame everything on the OC are the jokes.
i think most people are analyzing logically...........and I do agree that there's plenty of blame to go around........as a mater of fact there's a post in one of the many Schotty threads of that play with 5 receivers basically running the same 5 yard route...........to me that singular play is indicative of the offesnvie problems in general........Schotty's fault for a shit awful play design that puts no pressure on the D and makes it easy for them to defend.....and Sanchez for making the worst of the possible decisions he could make in picking the receiver to throw to. they are both at fault. If your the OC and you know your QB has had some issues with decision making....why dial up a play like that? That's my issue with Schotty...that and the tempo with which the offense gets into and out of the huddle and gets the ball snapped...toooo slow, always.
That's all you guys come up w/, the one play against NE. He hasn't done a great job but he has done a good job, the O has been held back this year b/c of the OL and run game not the OC and even w/ those problems the O is scoring more PPG. If our D was as advertised we'd be fighting for the div title instead of a WC. The venom should be spewed at the D.
jeez i sort of agree with you and you still argue lol. I guess I should expect that. Like i said that one play spoke volumes to me......your perogative to not see it my way...i just think it encapsulated the offesnsive woes pretty nicely......and was supporting your argument that there's more blame to go around than just Schotty (Sanchez has to pull his weight too). The whole "D as advertised" things is BS too...any fan that has any knowledge at all knows Rex just blows smoke to puff up his guys, if fans and media take that stuff seriously that's on them. Personally I don't go into games thinking the D is going to play lights out just becuse Rex said they would. They've had their struggles, but if you hold teams to 17 points or under you should win, Tebowed or not in the final minutes. The D came up small in other games this season as well, as did ST's. I guess that's why they're 7-5 afterall.
We've seen the D play at a high level over the last 2+ seasons so it's not all puff from Rex. We averaged 22 PPG scored on O(not counting the D/STs scores), that should be much more than enough to win 75% of our games w/ a D that is as good as this one is supposed to be.
I'm amazed at the number of quality OC's on here that aren't coaching in the NFL or College considering all OCs openings that become available every year...
