Sanchez/Schotteheimer/2013 reckoning?

Sanchez will be re-signed long before we get to the 2013 season.

 

I don't think the situation can possibly go on for that long unless the Jets run the table and win a Super Bowl this season.

I don't believe that Mike Tannenbaum is a fundamentally sound GM, based on his unorthodox moves and the issues they have created over the years as well as his propensity to go for broke and boost the team at times.

I don't think Woody Johnson is going to sit still through another season like this one. The vibe around the team is negative, and has been negative since the 3 game losing streak on the road. The QB, who is clearly the most important player on the team, is under constant attack from the NY cesspool. The team has had sudden gaping holes emerge with no clear answers. Basically Tannenbaum is going to be under a lot of pressure to make visible moves to fix the team.

Given that reality I think Schotty has to go, again assuming the Jets don't win out at this point. If they win out and they're not using Schotty's system (again) I think he probably interviews heavily for a job this winter and then gets forced out in the spring if nothing emerges for him.

The most embarrassing thing that could happen for Schotty, BTW, is not getting forced out. The most embarrassing thing would be Peyton Manning coming here and refusing to run his system while Sanchez does well elsewhere. That would be a career-ender for Schotty's NFL prospects.

 

There's a better chance that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real than this coming true.

 

I completely agree with you. Mike Tannenbaum may not.

 

Show me where that has happened in the NFL...

I'll wait.

 

There have been almost no trades involving one of the best QB's of all time in NFL history. The Jets acquisition of Brett Favre was a rare event.

It appears as though we might have Manning going somewhere next year as the Lucks and the Mannings have begun the powerplay on the Polians early this time, trying to minimize the FUD factor for all involved.

 

I respectfully but completely disagree with your assessment of Tanny. He's probably the best GM this team has had and has made some moves that are affecting our team positively, possibly for a decade or more.

Revis, DBrick, Harris, & Mangold. At or near tops in their positions. League wide. We all know about the Ghost but how many GMs hit on EVERY draft pickup.

Maybin, JT last year, LT, MoWilk, Wilson, bringing Strickland back. Keller. Scott & Leonhard. Terminator, Black McKnight.

OLine is an issue this year but we had 2 backups and a 3rd on the PSquad. when pre-season started. No one knew Turner AND Mangold would go down.

His philosophy is draft BPA + Top quality FA's + UDFAs. That's the right way to build a team. Moving Leon was sad from an emotional perspective, but was the right football move.

Hopefully a BPA safety will be there in April.

He's grading out at B+ or higher but how many GMs could really make the A list. They may have A/A+ years but they will not have a spotless resume over their tenure.

MikeT has hit on more than not of the draft picks, and FA pickups than not.

LMFAO @ Manning coming here.

 

Simply not true. The guy has had some long term success here and has many of the core players of this team locked up for at least 2-3 more seasons setting up this team for long term success. Sure, there are holes to fill but the Jets are no different then any of the other current playoff teams and contenders in that regard. There is always turnover on any NFL roster and he manages that well. He is aggressive without being reckless and mortgaging the future. The cap isn't gonna be a problem going forward as the NFL is about to sign another monstorous TV rights deal so the worries about deferred money coming back to bite them against the cap will be severly mitigated.

 

Originally Posted by Br4dw4y5ux
I don't believe that Mike Tannenbaum is a fundamentally sound GM, based on his unorthodox moves and the issues they have created over the years as well as his propensity to go for broke and boost the team at times.

yeah, let's bring back Dick Steinberg

 

So far we've only seen the regressive investment that Tannenbaum has made in the team's infrastructure. He's consistently taken future assets and depth and turned them into better current assets.

What this has done is to boost the Jets winning percentage by mortgaging the future. He's consolidated at every opportunity, turning future potential into present day production.

Now, when we lose a starter we have the choice of doubling down again by trading more future assets to fill the position, signing a high-priced free agent to come in and fill the position or gambling that a second-rate player can actually hold the position for us.

When we lose a player or two to injury we can very quickly be starting a 41 year old backup QB, or an undrafted rookie free agent or a player who has washed out elsewhere as our only options.

Moving forward we're in the unenviable position of having to fill multiple key positions over the next few years in addition to the flux that injuries and free agency create.

This is a fundamentally unsound position to be in. We're going to be looking up at teams that are better run, like the Packers, the Steelers and the Ravens, every season until we begin to assess talent well enough to find good players in the draft without trading up every year to do so.

We've been lucky so far in that the injuries haven't landed heavily on us. This is the NFL, and the injury luck is random and it isn't going to last for long. It never does.

 

Sorry Brad I should have quoted CMan's post instead of posting under yours.

I was talking about seeing a QB and OC being given a final year without any extensions. It's never happened because its retarded business practice.

 

This might have been true a decade or more ago but in today's NFL the turnover ratio is so great you can go from bottom dwellers to division champs in one season. The key as the GM is to collect the right type of players who fit into your system, basically picking a round peg to fit into a round hole, picking a square peg aka a "gholsten" and you'll have a bust. So far Tanny has been batting way above average... remember nobody bats a thousand.

 

One playoff win is probably enough to squash the negativity.

There is always a spin, always a rationale why it'll be better next year. I'm not saying that's either a good or bad thing.

 

I agree with this point. Offhand i can't recall a single situation where a team's FO seemed to be setting up both the OC and Qb to be in a test final contract year for an upcoming season. If both their continued careers seem to be that up in the air at that point, how does the GM live down letting it get to that point?

And even more to the point is if they really are being tested, with a significant prospect of upside, the team can't leave itself that open to losing both if they succeed. Are we not here talking about leaving your starting Qb unsigned in the final year of his contract? That right there is a problem. Doing so with the OC is perhaps not as risky, but you don't compound the risk you're taking with the Qb by adding the OC to the mix.

My guess is when they extended Schotty's contract, it was to let Mark know he can continue working with Schotty at least through next year and probably 13. But at some point either before the end of next season or in the following off seaon they will have made a decision to keep Sanchez or not, and if keep they will sign him to a new contract before opening day of 13.

 

Here we are getting into the politics of how something less than the playoffs would play out within the Jet organization, and the person having the final say on that is Johnson.

One very possible, I would even say probable, scenario if the Jets finish above .500 but do not make the playoffs is they say they fell just short, lost out with a bad set of tie breakers and that sort of thing (which would be true as far as it goes), and so the team does not need to make all that many changes.

The single thing that hurt the Jets the most and cost them in the standings was Mangold getting hurt without having an adequate backup. Can we all agree on that? I certainly think it is the case and there are no better answers to that question.

So, does Johnson just call that bad luck, or does he want to blame anyone for what happened there?

Despite Tanny's good moves and the love for him here and elsewhere, I thought that deal with not getting an adequate replacement when Turner got hurt before the season is exactly what made Mangold's loss the devastating one it was, and that failure has to be laid on Tanny.

Can anyone here really defend the Jets' response to Turner's season ending injury?

Of course maybe Woody himself made that decision, in which case Tanny takes no hit for it. Or, again, maybe Woody just calls it bad luck.

In which case no one significant goes anywhere, the team engages in the usual off season tweaks and drafting strategy, and that ends up being pretty much it.

 

I think one playoff win, likely on the road, would quash the negativity around Sanchez. He'd be the winningest QB on the road in NFL playoff history at that point.

I'm not convinced it would quash the negativity around the team in general though. This team is definitely in decline right now except at a few key positions. The middle of that defense is going to need major work at the same time the right side of the offensive line does.

That's a lot to get done at once and while Rex is going to want to concentrate on bringing in players on the defensive side the offense needs almost as much attention at this point.

I see a lot of birds coming home to roost next season. We saw a few land this year when the depth on the line suddenly became a glaring hole for a few games and the offensive protection schemes broke down.

I also think we have a silent problem in the middle of the defense which basically revolves around two of our best run stoppers in Pouha and Scott not being good against the pass and both safeties having matchup issues against the big tight ends. The Jets are not a fundamentally sound defense although they can still shut down a passing attack that doesn't target the tight end a lot.

 

This team is built to win for years to come, yes they will have to tweak the roster for next year but one "dpwn" year at 8-8/9-7/10-6 will not dictate major changes. Not many teams make the playoffs every year, we are a team capable of doing so and should be for years to come.

 

First of all on the subject of Center, I think we opted to save cap room this year rather than bring in Gurode or whoever else because we recognize how sorely we need a safety and that there is a better chance of getting an impact player at SS or FS in free agency rather than the draft.

2nd of all, we drafted McElroy and he played well, then got hurt. We have O'Connell still.
3rd: Who has washed out elsewhere? Hunter?

So you wanted to resign 34-year old Damien Woody coming off Achilles' and knee injuries rather than his backup who provided protection against Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, the Pats, and the Steelers in both the regular season and postseason games?​

We drafted his replacement and he isn't ready, and hasn't had his two full camps. He may never be ready though, I'll admit.

It seems as though you are trying to say we should have went out in FA to plug holes, but not gone out in FA to plug holes in some areas.

Injury bug? Have we really gone through unscathed?
Mangold this year, Pace previous two years, Thomas this year, Jenkins last two years he was here, Revis hamstring, Rob Turner, Damien Woody, Cotchery, Jim Leonard, LT. C'mon man, it's not like Tanny is walking through a field of daisies just farting everywhere.

Sometimes you have to gamble to get the guy you want in the draft. The only thing questionable we have done recently is trade up to get John Conner, but now we have one of the better young FBs in football instead of some FA pickup. Also, we traded for Cromartie and ended up giving up a 2nd rounder, but now we are (the) one of the deepest at CB in the league.

Tanny isn't sitting on his hands and he isn't firing from the hip. The only thing that really hasn't turned out well so far is Ducasse. But I'm not ready to send that project packing yet, not after Callahan turned Slauson into a serviceable LG.

I'm just trying to prognosticate into the future plans though, instead of being the master of hindsight recognizing things that don't go perfectly. I guess that's a good way to get voted most knowledgeable....

 

If we only win one playoff game it's a clear sign that Rex Ryan is regressing.